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Old 11-10-2004, 12:23 PM   #15
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I don't mean to start another tangent debate, but there was a rather famous murder trial going on here in Georgia where a woman was accused of murdering her husband and a boyfriend by poisoning them with antifreeze. Excuse me. The judge ordered the term antifreeze to not be used since this case had already been dubbed the "antifreeze murders" and the prosecution used the term ethal glycol, I believe.

Anyway, the stuff is sweet and deadly. (That is why the EPA doesn't want it spilt on the ground; animals find it and drink it because it taste so good and then they die.) Anyway, one of the bodies was exumed and found to contain evidence of the stuff. The woman claims her husband had the stuff in his shop and must have drunk it on his own.

I know winterizing is not a concern of mine at this point, but I don't think I want to risk the consequences of not being able to get it all out of the water lines the next spring. Maybe I'm too cautious or just paranoid.
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Old 11-10-2004, 01:39 PM   #16
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I know winterizing is not a concern of mine at this point, but I don't think I want to risk the consequences of not being able to get it all out of the water lines the next spring. Maybe I'm too cautious or just paranoid.
The anti-freeze we are talking about uses propylene glycol as its active ingrediant which makes it safe for use in potable water systems. The is a much different product from the anti-freeze used in autos.

Here is the info from the Prestone page.

"PrestoneŽ RV Antifreeze Provides Exceptional Protection for Winterizing Water Systems

Use PrestoneŽ RV Antifreeze for winterizing all types of potable water systems, such as those found in vacation homes, boats, trailers, as well as swimming pool filtration and heating systems. This propylene glycol-based formula prevents potable water system pipes from suffering burst-damage during the winter, while protecting against the build-up of rust and corrosion.

Prestone Products' specially formulated RV Antifreeze provides quality performance and burst protection down to -50°F.

Also, Prestone RV Antifreeze meets the industry's minimum corrosion requirements for all common metals. Again, tests show that most of the competitive products are unable to meet their claims of providing the same level of protection as Prestone RV Antifreeze.

Winterizing Your Vacation Home or RV
Unless you plan to pay for heat all season, it is essential to keep antifreeze in your RV or vacation home's water system throughout the winter months in order to prevent burst pipes and corrosion. Empty out your water system first before putting in PrestoneŽ RV Antifreeze. For your convenience, Prestone RV Antifreeze has been formulated so that it does not need to be diluted before being put into the system.

In the spring, flush out the system completely to get rid of all of the antifreeze. Prestone RV Antifreeze's bright pink, nonpermanent-staining color helps you see when your water is completely clear."

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Old 11-10-2004, 03:43 PM   #17
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Ok--got a question in the "odd thing that happen when it's dark and cold out" category--

Does anyone else's trailer burp when you put in the pink stuff? Ours did as we raced around to beat the freeze Monday night. It belched pink goo (three times!) all over my gloves and coat sleeves! By the way, I did find that pink goo is washable, a good thing, considering that it smells so--well--unpleasantly wierd.

Some how I don't recall having a pink goo reflux situation last year. Maybe I was wearing (hahaha) rose-tinted glasses when we winterized for the first time!

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Old 11-10-2004, 03:49 PM   #18
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The anti-freeze we are talking about uses propylene glycol as its active ingrediant which makes it safe for use in potable water systems. The is a much different product from the anti-freeze used in autos.
Uh...I knew that !

What can I say, I a total newby.
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Old 11-10-2004, 04:08 PM   #19
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Winterizing options

I store my AS in a covered secure building with electric outlet nearby. I'm planning on using my trailer from time to time all winter here in Western Oregon for short outings. Has anyone just put a small thermostat controlled floorstand electric heater inside your AS to keep it warm (40-50 degrees) ......versus going to the trouble of blowing out your lines and adding RV antifreeze? We do get temps below freezing (sometimes prolonged) from time to time. A friend of mine owns a SOB that he stores outside, and this is his approach to the winterizing option. I asked him if his unit could be plugged into shore power non-stop without ruining his battery.....he replied he didn't think it would be a problem. If I just run an extension cord to a floorstand heater inside, to avoid hooking up to shore power, would this be a better option? I could also remove the battery and store it inside the trailer to keep it from freezing with this option. Of course, then I'd have to figure out how to get the cord into the AS without letting in "varmits". Any suggestions on how to do this?
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The big problem is that the electric heater will not provide heat to the underfloor areas like the furnace will. Any water piping in those areas could freeze. That would be my major concern.

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ODoes anyone else's trailer burp when you put in the pink stuff? Ours did as we raced around to beat the freeze Monday night. It belched pink goo (three times!) all over my gloves and coat sleeves! By the way, I did find that pink goo is washable, a good thing, considering that it smells so--well--unpleasantly wierd.

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Hmmm....you have to explain how you were feeding it in. Burp? No. BTW, I have found over the years that the pink dye used in some brands of RV anti-freeze can stain. One of the reasons I started using Prestone was that I found that their dye seemed wash out of fabrics.

I was talking to Silvertwinkie (Eric) the other night and he told me he found some mint scented RV anti-freeze at ACE hardware.

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Old 11-10-2004, 10:00 PM   #22
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Jack, you are the lucky owner of a 2004. Maybe over 43 years, technology has made burpingness (??) diminished! I just hope someone else has had this oddly digestive experience!

Can't say it stained, though I don't think it was necesarily any one brand (Prestone or other). I think the key is to pop it in the laundry as quickly as possible.

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Hmmm....you have to explain how you were feeding it in. Burp? No. BTW, I have found over the years that the pink dye used in some brands of RV anti-freeze can stain. One of the reasons I started using Prestone was that I found that their dye seemed wash out of fabrics.

I was talking to Silvertwinkie (Eric) the other night and he told me he found some mint scented RV anti-freeze at ACE hardware.

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Anybody know where you can buy this RV-Antifreeze in 55 Gal Drums?
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Diamond Oil co. in Des Moines.
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Old 12-02-2004, 07:30 PM   #25
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The big problem is that the electric heater will not provide heat to the underfloor areas like the furnace will. Any water piping in those areas could freeze. That would be my major concern.

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Those of us with independent furnace controls COULD leave the thermostat on a low setting, so when the temp drops the fan from the furnace will kick on and circulate the wamer air from inside the trailer into the trailer's nether regions. It sounds like almost as much trouble to do this, as to use Antifreeze.
BTW, Automobile antifreeze is Ethylene Glycol (toxic), RV antifreeze is Propylene Glycol (non-toxic).
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Our first Winter(izing) in trailer

This is our first winter I as trailer owners and I thought our climate might be mild enough to just leave the tanks dry, but then I remembered the hell I went through to fix some burst copper pipes from the PO. But I was thinking of trying to get out this winter for a short trip or two so I was reluctant to add AF to the water lines.

A good friend who owns an SOB told me I should winterize the lines so I thought I'd try it (once I found that I wouldn't poison my family in the spring). As my water heater is being bypassed I just drained the fresh tanks and put 3 gallons of RV antifreeze into the fresh tanks and ran the water pump till the shower, toilet and kitchen faucets ran pink. I was kind of in a rush and didn't want to disconnect water pump infeed and try to fid the right coupler. The third gallon was probably more than I needed but allowed the pump to draw well from the fresh tank. I may not be running pure AF if there was some water left in the fresh tank after draining but it sure was easy to do.

If i do go camping this winter i'll just pack some water in jugs like the old days.

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2. Do you put anything into your holding tanks during the winter? Seems like something added might help keep the valves operating smoothly. I think I once read that someone adds vegetable oil..
I leave my holding tanks drain valves open while storing. I've never had a problem with them sticking.

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Old 12-10-2004, 01:01 AM   #28
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Oh Jack

Should I be pushing the button on the moen one touch to get antifreeze through the filter? I didn't. Should we remove it? It's been heated thus far and antifreeze pumped through, but wondering in case we turn the heat off. Is there a problem to leave shore power on all the time with the batteries?

Thanks.

P.S. We used the mint antifreeze, it took forever for our water not to taste like mint, kind of threw off the taste of my hot tea.
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