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Old 11-17-2013, 10:49 AM   #71
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valve positions?

Bob: Your picture shows that the handle on the valve crosses the line like a gate valve, or creates a t-intersection. My valves look like that but actually screw into the valve seat like your house faucets. The handles may be facing any direction when closed or open, or worse yet, may be in the same position when both opened and closed.

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Old 11-17-2013, 06:37 PM   #72
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Some of us have 1/4 turn valves with oblong handles that essentially match the diagram. If you have round handles, then the chart showing the handle across the pipe means closed and the handle inline with the pipe means open.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:31 PM   #73
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For relatively current models, the instruction manual pretty much explains the positions to bypass the water heater.
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Old 11-18-2013, 09:41 PM   #74
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I recently posted this on another winterization thread:

If this link works, I have posted my winterization checklist:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qab521s8nt...hecklists.docx

Note that it is included with my summarization checklist and my standard departure checklist. Who's anal? Please let me know if there's something that you see that I've missed?

This is only my second time doing a winterization, but it took less than 30 minutes once I have the right tools in hand to get the job done:
Compressor
Water inlet pressure fitting
3 gallons antifreeze
Silicone hose and adapter for t-valve
Crescent wrench to remove the water heater drain plug
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:37 PM   #75
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I recently posted this on another winterization thread:

If this link works, I have posted my winterization checklist:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qab521s8nt...hecklists.docx

Note that it is included with my summarization checklist and my standard departure checklist. Who's anal? Please let me know if there's something that you see that I've missed?

This is only my second time doing a winterization, but it took less than 30 minutes once I have the right tools in hand to get the job done:
Compressor
Water inlet pressure fitting
3 gallons antifreeze
Silicone hose and adapter for t-valve
Crescent wrench to remove the water heater drain plug
Hi, I couldn't get your link to work. I don't know how you can even get a Cresent wrench in there to remove your water heater plug. I would only use a six point, 3/8"s drive socket on that plastic drain plug.
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Old 11-19-2013, 03:21 PM   #76
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I have learned a useful tip for going on several winter outings. I drain water from lines by opening all faucets and line drain valves. open head valve, but do not drain water heater tank. Set tank to bypass. I do have the winterizing kit that ROBERT CROSS showed earlier. Close the drain valves and run water pump until the pink antifreeze runs out both faucets, shower and the head. You only need to let enough pink flow out to fill the drain trap. Next place a bucket under the drain valves outside. Open the drain valves and all faucets, shower and head. Then drain the water heater. I don't know how but some pink always finds it way into the heater. Now lines are either empty or have pink in the lower undrainable sections. I usually lose 1/3 of a gallon doing it this way. That is a lot cheaper than using 2 gallons every trip out. remember to strain and reuse the pink in the bucket that you drained.

Here's a link to a thread I started for having water hookups in the winter.
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I don't know how but some pink always finds it way into the heater.
The bypass is on the upstream side of the water heater, but if you fill the hot-water line through the bypass, you still get some back-flow from the hot-water line back into the water heater because there's not also a bypass on the downstream side, and no backflow preventer on the hot water line either.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:21 PM   #78
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Darn the link! Here's a portion of what was in my file, but specific to the winterization:

Winterization Checklist
Before pressurizing:
1. LEVEL TRAILER
2. Empty all water from freshwater holding tank
3. Depressurize water heater (via pressure relief valve)
4. Empty all water from water heater (via drain plug)
5. Replace galley water filter with bypass tube

After pressurizing system:
1. Open, drain, & close both low point valves under dinette seat
2. Open & drain kitchen sink faucet
3. Open & drain bathroom sink faucet
4. Open & drain toilet
5. Open & drain interior showerhead
6. Open & drain exterior showerhead
7. Close water heater isolation valve (under dinette seat)

After depressurizing system:
1. Connect antifreeze intake tube to t-valve at water pump
2. Run galley sink faucet until one cup of anti-freeze had flowed to the drain trap
3. Run bathroom sink faucet until one cup of anti-freeze had flowed to the drain trap
4. Run toilet until one cup of anti-freeze had flowed to the drain trap
5. Run shower head until one cup of anti-freeze had flowed to the drain trap
6. Run exterior shower head until anti-freeze flows through it

Drain excess fluid from gray and blackwater holding tanks
Battery switch OFF
Remove detector batteries
Propane off

Summerization

1. OPEN water heater isolation valve
2. Fill freshwater holding tank partially
3. Run water pump and flush all lines, check for leaks (hot & cold)
4. Replace galley sink inline water filter (hot & cold)
5. Plug into city water and flush all lines, check for leaks.
6. Fill freshwater tank and add purogene.
7. Open propane valves and test water heater, furnace, refrigerator, stove top
8. Replace all detector batteries
9. Check air pressure on tires
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This is my FIRST time trying to flush the lines with pink winterizer fluid. BUT, the cold lines filled up fine and are holding the fluid, BUT the HOT water lines arent taking up any fluid. I tried opening the hot water valves in both faucets but no luck. Im wondering if... either the hot water tank is full of water and not accepting anymore fluid through it, but then it should push that water out the faucets, OR if there is a frozen line somewhere in the system that is preventing the fluid from traveling. It FROZE here the last three days and caught me off guard. its that west coast bitter freeze you have been hearing about... -5 to +10 for the past 4 days, YIKEAS! help if you have any ideas...
Also, I do NOT have a hot water tank bypass installed.

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Since I've not winterized our current trailer, I had a couple of questions for the Techs at Jackson Center.

And they basically said to save some effort and forget adding antifreeze to the PEX lines.

Essentially I was told that blowing the lines, draining the water heater, and adding antifreeze to the p traps, gray and black tanks (a cup or so in each) would be sufficient. Then turn the fresh water pump on for about 10 seconds to distribute what water was in it.

I'm thinking about doing what they've told me twice. ;-)
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Hi, I bought a pack (2) of spare water heater plastic plugs. I drilled and tapped one of them to install an automotive type petcock. Today I installed my winterizing kit. I tested the suction hose with a half gallon milk bottle and it worked pretty good. It looks like it will just barely work without adding a longer hose to it. I also bought a two wire connector and installed it on my water pump so I can just unplug it whenever I need to remove it like I did today.

Never know; I might need to use this some day.
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Two wire connector?

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Hi, I bought a pack (2) of spare water heater plastic plugs. I drilled and tapped one of them to install an automotive type petcock. Today I installed my winterizing kit. I tested the suction hose with a half gallon milk bottle and it worked pretty good. It looks like it will just barely work without adding a longer hose to it. I also bought a two wire connector and installed it on my water pump so I can just unplug it whenever I need to remove it like I did today.

Never know; I might need to use this some day.
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Hi, like this. You cut it in the middle and one end goes to the pump and the other end goes to the wire loom.
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:15 AM   #83
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I pick up my new trailer in 1 week...I live in Birmingham AL...each winter is a bit different...overnight can at times freeze...I am hoping to not bother winterizing really...but then again it can reach freezing temps overnight...but not often....hmmm....my AS neighbors (allison and rhett) do winterize, although I think just blow out water and some other step (I forget)....
PharmGeek,

The 1st AS I owned was a 2008 25' Safari FB, purchased from a dealer that was going out of biz. As you might expect there was not much in the way of dealer prep, walk through or support. So I was pretty much on my own and didn't know about the forums. My first winter we had a real cold snap and I wound up winterizing using the pink AF using the directions from an SOB forum.

Nothing froze but a couple of weeks later we needed to use our AS. It was a real PITA trying to flush the pink stuff out of the water system! We had foam coming out of the hot water for days!

That was the last time I winterized my AS either by blowing out the water or using the pink AF. When it it gets down to freezing I depressurize the water system, open the cabinets to let the warm air circulate, set the furnace thermostat at 45 degrees and occasionally fire up the hot water heater. Warm air from the furnace circulates through the holding tanks keeping everything from freezing.

In 2010 we upgraded a bit to a 2010 28' Flying Cloud and use the same procedure without a problem, even with temps down to the teens. I also cycle the batteries on/off line to keep them from overcharging during the winter. So my unit is ready to go year round!

The link to the AS winterizing site follows http://www.airstream.com/files/libra...585b147eee.pdf
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Old 12-14-2013, 12:23 PM   #84
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Never know; I might need to use this some day.
Bob,

Always good to be prepared for that every thousand year southern California snowstorm. And if someone steals your Airstream, they will be able to protect it for the winter until you find it.

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