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Old 09-11-2013, 11:51 AM   #15
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If you decide to charge your batteries in a garage environment during the winter, do not set them on the concrete floor. The cold of the concrete will drain the batteries and leave them ruined. Set them on a work bench or several 2X4s.

If you do not want to blow out the lines and do not wish to use the pink stuff, then use a cheap vodka. It takes 2 - 1/2 gal bottles. I have a hose that connects directly to my water pump and the hose fits into the top of the vodka bottle. What I use is about $6 a bottle and the container is plastic. I always buy 3 just in case I need a little more (a qt of OJ helps with the mission).

I only use the pink stuff in drains and waste tanks. Drain FW tank and leave drain open.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:16 PM   #16
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...."it's real simple to drain everything and blow the lines with air."

Not if you don't have a compressor.....after all that's what the antifreeze is for. Potable water systems.

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..I do agree the anti-freeze goes in the pot' and pea traps not the freshwater tank.

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When I said the pink stuff goes down the drains and tanks I did not mean the FW tank. That I simply drain and leave empty. I do like to put some pink in the black and gray tanks to help protect the seals.

Yes, it is easy as long as you have a compressor.
And a small compressor is cheap.
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If you decide to charge your batteries in a garage environment during the winter, do not set them on the concrete floor. The cold of the concrete will drain the batteries and leave them ruined. Set them on a work bench or several 2X4s.

If you do not want to blow out the lines and do not wish to use the pink stuff, then use a cheap vodka. It takes 2 - 1/2 gal bottles. I have a hose that connects directly to my water pump and the hose fits into the top of the vodka bottle. What I use is about $6 a bottle and the container is plastic. I always buy 3 just in case I need a little more (a qt of OJ helps with the mission).

I only use the pink stuff in drains and waste tanks. Drain FW tank and leave drain open.
Explain how a concrete floor will magically drain batteries. In an unheated garage, the nighttime air temperature will be as low or lower than the temperature of the concrete floor, and low temps that aren't low enough to freeze the electrolyte may reduce the battery's output while it's cold, that capacity returns when the battery comes back up to more cozy temperatures.
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Just what I do....

Batteries out and in the "charge room" in the basement.

Don't take a chance leaving the trailer plugged in 24/7. Especially if your still using the OEM Parallax converter, (not noted for safe charging).
The parallax converter has many flaws, but it will not overcharge the batteries in the winter. I leave mine plugged in all winter and have for 3 years, batteries still work great.
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If you decide to charge your batteries in a garage environment during the winter, do not set them on the concrete floor. The cold of the concrete will drain the batteries and leave them ruined. Set them on a work bench or several 2X4s.
Not true for modern batteries with plastic cases
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The parallax converter has many flaws, but it will not overcharge the batteries in the winter. I leave mine plugged in all winter and have for 3 years, batteries still work great.

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Explain how a concrete floor will magically drain batteries.
It doesn't with modern batteries.

Rubber battery cases, at least in theory, had enough electrical conductivity through the cell walls that setting them on a concrete floor would cause the charge to drain more rapidly.
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...."it's real simple to drain everything and blow the lines with air."

Not if you don't have a compressor.....after all that's what the antifreeze is for. Potable water systems.

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Hi Bob,

So now I am concerned that an air compressor seams like the safest option. What kind of compressor do you recommend? I really just want to use AF but am willing to investigate further into "blowing air thru my lines". This method seams a little risky since you can not be absolutely sure all water has been removed whereas AF in the system is easy to confirm. What are your thoughts?

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I have always used the compressor and antifreeze. Pumping from the FW tank may be problematic for some folks, it does take several complete flushes to remove, but it is harmless and we carry filtered water from home for drinking & cooking.
Warmer environments, the procedures will vary.

I've had do deal with leaks caused by freezing in our first AS, not something I want to repeat with "Cloudsplitter".

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The "old school" mechanics that I grew up around always said to store batteries on wood blocks when leaving them on concrete so that's what I always did. Recently I read something from a battery manufacturer stating that that was an old wives tale. Maybe we should send this one to "Myth Busters".
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I think it's more the cold rather than the concrete itself thats the concern.
An unheated concrete garage floor would be little help in keeping the battery charged.

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FYI, the Lifeline manual states storage temp of -67 degrees. Based on that, I leave mine installed (disconnected) instead to lugging those heavy beast inside! I think mine weigh 66 lbs a piece x 4!

http://www.lifelinebatteries.com/manual.pdf

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If you decide to charge your batteries in a garage environment during the winter, do not set them on the concrete floor. The cold of the concrete will drain the batteries and leave them ruined. Set them on a work bench or several 2X4s.

If you do not want to blow out the lines and do not wish to use the pink stuff, then use a cheap vodka. It takes 2 - 1/2 gal bottles. I have a hose that connects directly to my water pump and the hose fits into the top of the vodka bottle. What I use is about $6 a bottle and the container is plastic. I always buy 3 just in case I need a little more (a qt of OJ helps with the mission).

I only use the pink stuff in drains and waste tanks. Drain FW tank and leave drain open.
This battery urban legend is completely false, and has been for many decades. Concrete is alkaline in it's pH. Early batteries had wooden cases which were lined with a tar-like substance to keep the electrolyte in. Well they pretty much all "weeped" electrolyte through the wood. This made a direct conductor to both drain the battery charge through moist concrete and made a kind of corroded mess under the battery.

Modern plastic batteries will not suffer in the least from sitting on concrete, and won't freeze as long as their charge is maintained.
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