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Old 12-21-2010, 02:32 PM   #15
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empty tanks is good, how bout the water heater?

running the furnace 1 night with all the cabinet doors open should thaw everything inside.

while this is happening inspect the pump prescreen and faucet filters and so on.

while PEX is forgiving the joints and connectors are still primarily copper.

and the water pump isn't pex, same for the toilet and dish rinsers.

use all the good advice folks provided and let us know how it goes.

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Old 12-21-2010, 02:44 PM   #16
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All the advice, except LFM's, that is....

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Old 12-21-2010, 03:13 PM   #17
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I think you`ll see this one for sale in the spring as is. Can`t be botherd to do anything about it and waits until 5 days b4 xmas to ask. I offerd to help and I`m only 2 hrs away. Couln`t even be bothered to say no thanks. Not really an streamer IMO.
Its a shame nice new unit getting ruined. If it was mine I`d be freaking out trying anything to save it. Go figure.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:57 PM   #18
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I'm afraid to say that if the HWH was full and the water is frozen, for sure the tank is a goner due to the large volume. (Been there, done that). As for the rest of the plumbing system, it's probably hit and miss due to the low volume of water and plastic tubing. You might get lucky, or not. You could try thawing the trailer out, as suggested but I expect it's too late. My trailer is frozen solid down the road in London.
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:08 PM   #19
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It's just repairs, and a lesson to all of us of the importance of winterizing. That twenty minutes twice a year saves us hours and $$$-$$$$...
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Old 12-24-2010, 06:25 PM   #20
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I have successfully tig welded aluminum hot water tanks which were broken open by water freeze. I charge $82 for most rv tanks pressure tested depending how bad the tank is. So you dont neccesarily need to replace the tank. i myself would not want to freeze an airstream . Potentially a huge cost replairing and replacing shattered parts.
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Old 12-25-2010, 03:10 PM   #21
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I think you`ll see this one for sale in the spring as is. Can`t be botherd to do anything about it and waits until 5 days b4 xmas to ask. I offerd to help and I`m only 2 hrs away. Couln`t even be bothered to say no thanks. Not really an streamer IMO.
Its a shame nice new unit getting ruined. If it was mine I`d be freaking out trying anything to save it. Go figure.
I had no idea what you were talking about when I read your post. Then I checked my junk mail folder, and saw your message there. So, I wasn't ignoring you. Perhaps you could have followed up with a PM before you went about trashing me on the forum.

Now that I've read the message, I'm disappointed that you weren't a bit more honest in your post. Your offer to "help" was an offer to solicit business for you and your brother in law's RV service company. I have no issue with someone making money off me if it is required to fix the problem, but your post made it out like I was ignoring the well intentioned help of a good Samaritan or something.

Perhaps you do great work for a reasonable price. I make no issue with that. But given the tone of your post, I will just stick with my dealership should it come to that. They are also a two hour drive away, and they are always polite and friendly with me.

The replies I received were overwhelmingly positive and helpful. I tend to ignore negative posts, but I take exception when someone makes comments like that about me unjustly.
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Old 12-25-2010, 03:23 PM   #22
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I'm afraid to say that if the HWH was full and the water is frozen, for sure the tank is a goner due to the large volume. (Been there, done that). As for the rest of the plumbing system, it's probably hit and miss due to the low volume of water and plastic tubing. You might get lucky, or not. You could try thawing the trailer out, as suggested but I expect it's too late. My trailer is frozen solid down the road in London.
The water heater is my main concern actually. The plumbing system should have a pretty low volume of water in it, but I just can't remember if I emptied the water heater or not. I know that sounds silly, be we had to pack up and come home a night early from our last camping trip of the season. and it was a bit hectic. I did some winterizing stuff as I unloaded the AS at the storage lot, but my plan was to come back later in the week to blow out the lines and finish everything off.

Some family issues came up so I couldn't... and well, you know the rest.

Do you take yours to the AS dealership there to get it winterized? I've considered doing that, but we'd lose our spot at the local storage lot, or have to pay just to reserve it all winter.
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Old 12-25-2010, 03:27 PM   #23
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Toronto Guy, how many weeks has it been in this frozen state?
I'd estimate a little over a month...... it hasn't thawed since the first freeze. The week between Christmas and New Year is the first chance I'll have to go to it and fix it.

I'm really jealous of you folks who can park your AS's right on your property. ;-) And even more jealous of you folks that live in climates where it never freezes. LOL
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Old 12-25-2010, 04:22 PM   #24
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I had no idea what you were talking about when I read your post. Then I checked my junk mail folder, and saw your message there. So, I wasn't ignoring you. Perhaps you could have followed up with a PM before you went about trashing me on the forum.
I don't know how much clearer I could have posted. I asked for the trailer location so I could find someone as close as possible to help and find some way to have it towed in for you as you said you hade no way to tow it yourself.I know you read the post minutes after I made it and was waiting for a response from you none came so I would call that ignoring me. As far as trashing you I merely stated the facts you waited 10 weeks after using the trailer and then posted for assisstance 5 days before Xmas and never answered an offer.

Now that I've read the message, I'm disappointed that you weren't a bit more honest in your post. Your offer to "help" was an offer to solicit business for you and your brother in law's RV service company. I have no issue with someone making money off me if it is required to fix the problem, but your post made it out like I was ignoring the well intentioned help of a good Samaritan or something.
I don't have a brother in law with a RV service company. I did work in the trade here in Ontario for several years and would have been able to convince someone I know to take in your unit at the last minute and thaw it out, winterize it and do ant repairs if neccessary. They would have done me a personal favour and may not have accepted the job otherwise considering the date and it's proximity to the holidays. If I could not have found someone else I knew to tow it for you I would have towed it myself at no charge.

Perhaps you do great work for a reasonable price. I make no issue with that. But given the tone of your post, I will just stick with my dealership should it come to that. They are also a two hour drive away, and they are always polite and friendly with me.
I operate a campground and not a service centre. I often do small or emergency repairs for my campers at no charge. There was no tone in the original post. Yes I was astounded that you waited until it was too late to winterize and when help was offered you ignored it and that was reflected in my second post. Ownership does not make you an airstreamer but comeradeship however does.

The replies I received were overwhelmingly positive and helpful. I tend to ignore negative posts, but I take exception when someone makes comments like that about me unjustly.
I don't think my original post was negative at all. I offered to help and never asked for compensation of any sort. Honestly you have severely neglected the trailer and I said that I wouldn't be surprised to see it for sale as is (unrepaired). It is blatently obvious that you don't really care about your unit or you wouldn't have waited so long to do something about the problem. Ignore me if you like,take the trailer where you want,do what you want. I really don't care what you do. I offered assisstance and did not solicit business as you infer. You know where you can put your trailer.
I do go out of my way to help anyone here who has a problem. I either offer written suggestions in post or forward service manuals I have directly to them. I also have helped others in selecting a unit for them. All of this I do for no fees or compensation.
Good luck to you Sir with your quest to have the unit repaired.
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:27 AM   #25
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I don't think my original post was negative at all. I offered to help and never asked for compensation of any sort. Honestly you have severely neglected the trailer and I said that I wouldn't be surprised to see it for sale as is (unrepaired). It is blatently obvious that you don't really care about your unit or you wouldn't have waited so long to do something about the problem. Ignore me if you like,take the trailer where you want,do what you want. I really don't care what you do. I offered assisstance and did not solicit business as you infer. You know where you can put your trailer.
I do go out of my way to help anyone here who has a problem. I either offer written suggestions in post or forward service manuals I have directly to them. I also have helped others in selecting a unit for them. All of this I do for no fees or compensation.
Good luck to you Sir with your quest to have the unit repaired.
In the spirit of the season, and also in the spirit that fewer things in life are a bigger waste of time than arguing on the internet, I'll extend an olive branch here. ;-)

From your perspective it seems that you went out of your way to offer help and I simply ignored your request.

My perspective was a bit different. As I said, I never received your initial e-mail. It was in my junk mail folder. So I read your post where you said that I wasn't a streamer and that my trailer would be up for sale soon (and sorry, to me that comes across as a negatively toned post), and I had no clue where you were coming from. That's when I checked my junk mail folder and found your letter.

To me it read like a business solicitation. Let me be clear, I don't even have an issue someone in the business offering me their services after reading my post.

I got my hackles up because it seemed to me that you were posting negative things about me in this forum (which can have an impact as other people may read that and be less likely to offer me their opinions) simply because you thought that I had ignored your business solicitation.

As for where I can put my trailer... let's just say that if I thought that it might help thaw it, I might give it a go!

What you call "severe neglect" I call putting family priorities first. It's simply not my style to elaborate on that sort of thing on a public forum. I'm not looking for sympathy... I simply mentioned it as the reason that I didn't get around to winterizing on time. I may be relatively new to AS ownership, but I know enough to winterize.

I waited until a few days before Christmas to post partly because I was working 16 days in a row, and partly because the unit was frozen already. I figured that the damage is done already (at least until the next thaw and refreeze).

I'm not panicked about the state of my AS because it won't do any good. I also didn't panic when my AS was damaged in a windstorm and cost $25K to fix (thank god for insurance).

I posted when I did because I was a point where I had the time to deal with the issue finally. I did some research on my own, had a few ideas as to a game plan. My post on here was just looking for advice or ideas that I hadn't considered. This forum has helped me out of a few occasions. Just as I have learned from other people's mistakes on here, maybe someone else can learn from mine (as I intend to follow through and post the resolution of this misadventure).

My post count is low because I'm at the stage of ownership where I have many more questions that I have answers to give others. LOL I try to be a good citizen on here. I do my own searches before I post questions that have already been answered, and I make sure that I'm a contributing member.
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:42 AM   #26
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Enough

We only want to hear the solution to the trailer problem!!!!!!

On-line disagreements are a loose-loose situation.

We all know *&^% happens.

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In the spirit of the season, and also in the spirit that fewer things in life are a bigger waste of time than arguing on the internet, I'll extend an olive branch here. ;-)

From your perspective it seems that you went out of your way to offer help and I simply ignored your request.

My perspective was a bit different. As I said, I never received your initial e-mail. It was in my junk mail folder. So I read your post where you said that I wasn't a streamer and that my trailer would be up for sale soon (and sorry, to me that comes across as a negatively toned post), and I had no clue where you were coming from. That's when I checked my junk mail folder and found your letter.
Toronto Guy, you have a few things mixed up. Wasagachris did not send you that email, I did. I offered you the use of my brother-in laws place to warm up your trailer, only asking that you pay for the gas to heat the place, as he keeps it cold most of the time. If it needed repairs we could have done that at the same time. Please excuse me if that was to forward for you.
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:57 AM   #28
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the op made a mistake, it's not uncommon.

he was then BRAVE enough to post it here and ask advice.

so almost immediately a few insult and otherwise get holy with him and his ownership.

get over it, let it be.

either switch to DEcaf or or consider shirley temple eggnog next time.

he's got an understanding of what needs 2 be done and why.

there is no need for the op to justify, explain or otherwise genu flex.

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