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Old 11-26-2016, 08:03 PM   #57
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Wow, that's awesome Ron. Thanks for sharing. Mine won't be that spacious. Maybe if we get some land in the future.

I read on another post that there is no need to take the batteries out for the winter. A member didn't a test.

He suggest and has data to prove it that all you need to do is fully charge them, clean the terminals, and disconnect batteries and they will hold for 3 months.

I know this is widely debated, but he did a real test in a freezer. Totally changed my mind.

On another note. Now your just need to put a solar panel on the building and feed it to your trailer and tV!

Thanks Ron, that is. A great facility.

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Old 11-27-2016, 07:44 AM   #58
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I agree that a well charged battery SHOULD hold a charge for awhile but on the other hand a tender is CHEAP insurance. I put a 4 stage Progressive Dynamics converter in our AS and when parked at home ( at our sons house) I keep it plugged in. Currently it's being stored at a friends place in North Carolina and not plugged in. My batteries are 5yrs old so I'm not sure if they will have any juice when I pick it up in mid-Dec but I guess I'll find out. Last year we stored it at a Navy base in Georgia for 3 months and it had juice to operate the bow jack when I came to hook up. Keep in mind that temperature is also a factor with a batteries ability to hold a charge.
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Old 11-27-2016, 07:52 AM   #59
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Wow, that's awesome Ron. Thanks for sharing. Mine won't be that spacious. Maybe if we get some land in the future.

I read on another post that there is no need to take the batteries out for the winter. A member didn't a test.

He suggest and has data to prove it that all you need to do is fully charge them, clean the terminals, and disconnect batteries and they will hold for 3 months.

I know this is widely debated, but he did a real test in a freezer. Totally changed my mind.

On another note. Now your just need to put a solar panel on the building and feed it to your trailer and tV!

Thanks Ron, that is. A great facility.

Rich.

This is what I'll be doing this winter, so we will get a good New England winter test from me!
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Old 11-27-2016, 09:27 AM   #60
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He suggest and has data to prove it that all you need to do is fully charge them, clean the terminals, and disconnect batteries and they will hold for 3 months.
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I do not believe that this is correct for standard flooded cell batteries, especially in freezing weather. Moreover, after the battery voltage drops below 12.0 volts (about 50% capacity), more serious long-term physical damage is done to the batteries, as I understand it from various posts from the experts.

I do not have the expertise to debate this any further, but wanted to put the contrasting views on this page FWIW. Pretty simple to take the batteries out and use a designated battery tender IMO.

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Old 11-27-2016, 10:33 PM   #61
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Here is the actual post I was referring to on the battery test:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f449...es-133243.html

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Old 11-27-2016, 10:39 PM   #62
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Also, I just read this from the Trojan battery website, check out point 9 in link below, which I copy here:

"9. Can a flooded battery freeze?
The only way that a battery can freeze is if it is left in a state of partial or complete discharge. As the state of charge in a battery decreases, the electrolyte becomes more like water and the freezing temperature increases. The freezing temperature of the electrolyte in a fully charged battery is -92 F (-69 C). At a 40% state of charge, electrolyte will freeze if the temperature reaches approximately 16 F (-9 C)."

So, it looks like if the wet flooded cell battery stays above 50% charge, it will not freeze. If the battery is disconnected and has no phantom loads, if it is stored initially at full charge, in 3-4 months it should be fine as was mentioned in the post above.


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Thanks for the link to idroba's thread, which does support the point you made, but also has many specific qualifying conditions/caveats in his Post #1 about the previous use of, and current condition of, the stored batteries. I don't want to hijack Ron's thread into one about batteries, but anyone planning on following idroba's advice should follow his precise guidelines, and know the limitations of cold storage without charging. He was a master of detail, and very knowledgeable about AS use, so I defer to his advice.

His calm and clear demeanor are missed. Rest in Peace.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f161...ba-150067.html

Thanks again, Rich, for providing the link.

Peter

PS -- In particular, idroba pointed out that: "The original Interstate batteries had never been abused and the trailer was not a lot demonstrator, so the batteries were never subject to “lot rot". "

Most AS owners may not be in a position to know this about their batteries, so the 3-4 month storage without charging could become an expensive lesson is ascertaining the overall health of their batteries IMO. My take? Only perfect batteries should be subjected to the test. YMMV of course.


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Old 11-27-2016, 11:25 PM   #64
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Thx Peter, I agree, I'm new to AS, and don't want anyone to think I am recommending or an expert here. Just pointing out a few data points and info previously posted etc.

My AS hasn't even arrived yet (hopefully in two weeks). I have enjoyed these forums and learning, but I am a Noobie for sure.




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Those are some nice structures. I went with Steelmaster, my first experience putting together one of those.

Whatever you build, remember the Second Law of Sheds- as soon as you finish its full of stuff and too small.

The First Law of Sheds- remember the Second Law of Sheds before you begin.

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This weekends project: "spring cleaning" the yard around the new RV pole barn. Removed decades worth of stacked lumber, old wood poles, grass piles, and lots of miscellaneous debris and crapola. Begin to see how this space could be reclaimed and made useful (Airstream guest parking?) with a bit more work...

Greetings from South Central Utah.

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