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10-13-2016, 08:34 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1966 20' Globetrotter
2008 23' International
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Cedar Falls
, Iowa
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Leaving batteries in trailer during winter
I've always removed the batteries from my two Airstreams during the winter and kept them in the house. But I have sold one of my trailers and replaced it with a 2008 CCD. I have installed two 100-watt solar panels which keep the two Interstate batteries charged when I am boondocking. I am wondering if I could leave the batteries in the trailer during the winter since they should be kept well-charged.
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10-13-2016, 08:41 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Spokane
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Yes, a fully charged battery will not freeze. Think about all the batteries in all the cars in the coldest parts of the country. I don't remember ever having heard of one freezing. Keep it charged and you will be fine.
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10-13-2016, 08:50 AM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,555
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Following.
Curious if storing with full charge / topping off with solar for a few months over winter will degrade battery life at a higher or lesser rate vs storing indoors.
I too am considering just leaving my Lifelines in the trailer for winter here in colorado...
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10-13-2016, 09:54 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
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10-13-2016, 10:51 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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Bought my trailer last week of 2012. The 1989 two panel solar system has kept the two batteries alive even though I ignored them completely during a year in storage.
Got it out, plugged it in, added water and seems okay for the time being. The batteries are six years old. I could turn on lights, etc, before plugging in.
1990 35' Silver Streak
2004 555 Cummins
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10-13-2016, 11:51 AM
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 8,201
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If you're storing under a roof, you could always replace the stock one-stage converter/charger with a smart 3-stage converter/charger and leave the trailer plugged in all winter with the switch in the "use" position. That's what we do.
Plenty of threads here on how to make that upgrade if you decide to go for it. I recently heard our dealer quote someone roughly $600+ to do it, but with a little patience you can DIY for the cost of the new unit, and your own time, sweat and new swear words you'll invent along the way. Here's where we describe our experience: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f449...ml#post1478980
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10-13-2016, 12:12 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2017 25' Flying Cloud
Waterloo
, Ontario
Join Date: Apr 2013
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One point I must make ... two years ago my solar panel was covered for most of the winter with a couple feet of snow. Ergo, no solar charge occurred for the six months and I had one dead battery in the spring and one that was usable for last year (I replaced the second one this spring).
Last winter was not so snowy and they survived. I am taking them in this year as the forecast is for a much harsher winter. Depending on where you are please consider this.
cheers,
John.
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10-13-2016, 12:30 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2014 25' FB International
2005 22' International CCD
Red Deer
, Alberta
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 42
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Solar panels work great unless they are going to be covered with snow for several months.
Oops, looks like John already covered this point above. I had the exact same thing happen two dead batteries come spring last year.
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10-13-2016, 01:17 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2017 30' Classic
Erie
, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 22
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This is such a timely and helpful thread. I was getting ready to ask for help on the very question. We have a 2017 Classic that will be stored in an enclosed garage this winter just outside of Boulder, CO. There is a120v outlet available and I was thinking of using a battery tender to keep the batteries charged and freeze free this winter.
My question, and I'm a bit embarrassed that we don't know this, is how do I connect the battery tender so that both batteries are charged? Do I use a single tender and connect to the positive on one and negative on the other battery since they are set up in parallel?
Thank you for all the help and advice. This forum has saved us numerous times since taking delivery of our AS and we're super grateful.
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Newbies with a 2017 Classic
Change = Opportunity
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10-13-2016, 02:21 PM
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
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Leaving batteries in trailer during winter
Hey, a battery tender is also a very good idea, much cheaper and easier than switching out the converter / charger. Connect the red battery tender clip to the red terminal on one battery and the black clip to the black terminal on the other battery. Red is positive, black is negative. Battery tender will tell you via a colored LED whether it is connected properly. You cross batteries with the tender because that way you can be sure it is running current fully through both of them.
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(Named for John Steinbeck's camper from "Travels With Charley")
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10-13-2016, 04:53 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 31' Classic
Garner,
, North Carolina
Join Date: Oct 2012
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I use a tender on my pickup truck batteries.. but not able to cross them like he can and they are not on same side of truck, so i just hook tender up to one battery which is connected to other one and they both get the voltage.
When i measured it on the kill o watt meter it was like $2.50 per month for the tender. local elec rate of .09 KWh.
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2-24-16 got a 2005 Classic 31D 460 watts solar, lithium 230 AH, 16" LT's, pulled by:
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WBCCI#1691, Piedmont Airstream Club, Unit #161, Region #3
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10-13-2016, 05:46 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2008 23' Safari SE
Oklahoma City
, Oklahoma
Join Date: Aug 2014
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I use a Pro Mariner battery charger/tender. My model charges two batteries. They make other versions up to four batteries at once. Does an equalization once a month as well.
Mike
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10-13-2016, 05:51 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' Flying Cloud
2016 30' Flying Cloud
Blenheim Ontario
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2015
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My question is: If I connect my "Genius" charger to the batteries, should I disconnect a battery lead from the trailer? Or just leave it connected with the switch in 'store'?
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10-13-2016, 06:16 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2008 23' Safari SE
Oklahoma City
, Oklahoma
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 98
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I disconnect the jumpers between the batteries.
Mike
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10-13-2016, 06:45 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' Flying Cloud
2016 30' Flying Cloud
Blenheim Ontario
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocket53
I disconnect the jumpers between the batteries.
Mike
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"THE JUMPERS"? WHY?
That just separates the two batteries.
What about leads to the trailer?
"Trailer Trash traveling in a 'tin-can' shed".
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10-13-2016, 06:59 PM
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Rich and Kat
2017 30' Classic
Alexandria
Alexandria
, Virginia
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 275
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I've got a 1.25A Battery Tender specifically for charging my Honda EU6500 generator battery, which is a small motorcycle battery whose manufacturer states that a 1.25A charger should be used to maintain a charge during non-use periods.
Our Group 24 and Group 27 AGM batteries deliver many, many times more current. I don't see how a 1.25A tender can exercise such a battery (ref. the other threads calling out use of a 1.25A charger).
BatteryTender makes a bunch of tenders. http://www.batterytender.com/Chargers/ There's the 1.25A tender already otherwise discussed ... (too small for these batteries????)
There's the 3A tender.
There's the 5A tender, as well as a 5A weatherproof tender ...
But they also make a twin 20A charger (40A total), which explicitly states that it will charge a depleted Group 27 AGM in 4 to 5 hours--the only charger that calls attention to Group 27 AGM's, by the way.
So, if all we're looking to do is maintain the pair of already charged batteries, and a small motorcycle battery gets a 1.25A charger to maintain a charge through non-use periods ... and ... if the most common car battery chargers throughout history are 10A for charging a single 12V battery, why wouldn't our large Group 24 and Group 27 AGM batteries get at least 5A, if not 10A to maintain their charges, especially when wired in parallel, which effectively requires twice the current to maintain both batteries at the same rate you'd charge one battery, all things being equal? How can we even consider a 1.25A charger in dual-battery configurations? And who's the best source for knowledge? The battery manufacturer or the company that makes the chargers?
Sorry if this appears critical ... it's not intended that way ... just asking questions that have been nagging since I started reading about charging...
Thanks,
Rich
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2017 Classic 30', ProPride 3P Hitch, 2016 RAM 3500 Laramie Crew Cab 4x4 SRW w/ 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel and Retrax Pro MX Tonneau Cover
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10-13-2016, 07:28 PM
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Rivet Master
1988 32' Excella
Robbinsville
, New Jersey
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These trailer batteries when in good condition loose less then 1amp per day so a charger that provides more then 1 amp per hour can easily maintain 2 charged batteries. It can even charge them from dead, even if it takes a week.
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10-13-2016, 08:34 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1966 20' Globetrotter
2008 23' International
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Cedar Falls
, Iowa
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Yes, I've thought about the snow and I plan to remove heavy snow cover when it occurs.
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10-13-2016, 08:45 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
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At my latitude, the solar panel is tilted to 56* in the winter snow rarely covers it completely and when the sun comes out, the black uncovered part heats up rapidly, melting the remaining snow. I rarely go more than a few days without full panel capacity.
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"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
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10-13-2016, 09:11 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1991 34' Limited
Tucson
, Arizona
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 83
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aftermath
Yes, a fully charged battery will not freeze. Think about all the batteries in all the cars in the coldest parts of the country. I don't remember ever having heard of one freezing. Keep it charged and you will be fine.
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I've done this for several years. I switch the 12v off with the quick disconnect located under the seat in my kitchen nook. Of course the winters at 6800 feet in Show Low Arizona where the trailer is stored aren't as harsh as other places.
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