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Old 01-10-2015, 01:30 PM   #29
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We had had the same problem last January when traveling route 10 from New Mexico to Florida. When we stopped for the night we made sure we stopped at a place that had hook ups and placed a space heater under each the tank, at the valve location as soon as we stopped for the night and did not remove it until we broke camp in the morning. Temps were 10 to 15 degrees at night, nary a frozen valve did we have.
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Old 01-11-2015, 08:41 AM   #30
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A halogen shop light works pretty well at thawing frozen pipes/valves.

Common sense is required in their use though.


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Does the new 2015 Classic have electric tank heaters?

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Old 01-12-2015, 12:59 AM   #32
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If cold enough (<10) leaving the dump valves open is the only viable option aside from skirting. 1 hour with a hairdryer will get things moving. Antifreeze won't help.
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Old 01-14-2015, 04:01 PM   #33
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:37 PM   #34
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Antifreeze won't help.
The main reason antifreeze won't help is because it's not effective if diluted even by half. A 50% solution of RV antifreeze and water will freeze. On the other hand, depending on the concentration, a mixture or automotive antifreeze (ethylene glycol) and water will not freeze. Even two-to-one mixture of water and auto antifreeze will not freeze above 0F, and a one-to-one mixture will not freeze above -40F.

Since neither you nor your pets will ever drink from your gray or black tanks, there is no particular reason why you can't use auto antifreeze in them. Just make sure you've thoroughly rinsed your black tank before boondocking somewhere next season that lets you discharge your gray tank onto the ground.
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Automotive antifreeze is not a good thing for dump stations, septic tanks or municipal sewer systems. It's highly toxic to wildlife and pets. Not a good idea to use where it can get into the environment or be consumed by animals.

Better to go with totally dry tanks, or run tank heaters if you have them.

And no, I'm not a tree hugger--automotive antifreeze needs to be recycled safely, not dumped..


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Automotive antifreeze is not a good thing for dump stations, septic tanks or municipal sewer systems. It's highly toxic to wildlife and pets. Not a good idea to use where it can get into the environment or be consumed by animals.
Oh well. Sometimes even I offer bad advice.

More often than I'd prefer, in fact!

Everybody ignore my previous post, please.
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Lots of interesting advice.

If you can Dry Camp during the Winter months, you can avoid the grey, black and fresh water freezing. Not just freezing, but freezing up solid. Going to take more than back flushing hot water up the... gazoo. Is someone standing on a ladder and adding the hot water, as it will have to flow UP to do any good. When it is open... someone had better be quick to control the flow. I would like to make the VIDEO of this fiasco in the making!

Travel Trailers are really, as several have said, Spring, Summer and Fall living quarters. We delayed our heading south for three additional days, just because the temperatures overnight were going to present trouble, snow, ice, even with empty tanks and water lines.

My recommendation is make notes as to your freezing problems. This Spring, go to an experienced house trailer business and purchase what you need to wrap and protect vulnerable exposed tanks, pipes and lines. This is if you are plugged into 120volt system. While traveling... you have to travel DRY. It is inconvenient. We carry a 5 gallon jug of water in the back of the covered pickup bed, if we need fresh water.

Imagine when the grey/black water "ice berg" begins to melt on the edges and begins to slam into the sides on each turn you make on the trip. Not a good thought for the possible damage and a puncture to the plastic liners.

Maybe less than 10% of Airstream and travel trailer owners venture out into the colder areas during the Winter months traveling WET. Hunters do it, but a large canvas tent with a wood burning stove. Travel trailers ARE an ice chest on wheels! Then the trailer becomes a HUMID ice chest on wheels. Once you think you have beaten the heating the interior, consider ventilating the interior at the same time. Another important situation.

IF you are at an RV Park, camp DRY and use the camp's facilities. Just heating the interior and venting it properly will be tough enough for the below freezing days and real nasty evenings. Been there, done that. Learned my lessons after a Wyoming April and once in July! I was under the belief that my Airstream was an ALL SEASON trailer, which it can be with a comprehensive make over.

Winter travel CAN be improved but not at a level you would want from your Airstream. Once you understand the trailer's limitations, you can find a comfort zone that makes some improvement in conditions.

My comfort level:

When the Canada Geese are flying SOUTH... follow them. Do NOT stop in Colorado where they seem to winter full time among the many lakes on the Front Range. The geese are prepared to stay, your Airstream is not.

Winter in the South and as things begin to warm up... follow the geese back North. They have been doing this since the last Ice Age.

Or... best. Follow an Alaskan or Canadian license plate and stop when they do! Then enjoy a Snowbird Winter the right way.

Good luck. You can do it. Just be prepared next Winter.
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