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Old 10-20-2009, 11:15 PM   #99
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Bob, I've thought of finding the lines and doing the same thing, but then I think, "what if I want to use the damn thing?"

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Old 10-22-2009, 06:56 PM   #100
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Same question we've had but this was such an easy process thanks to the helpful pics that we figure just repeat the process (and cost of antifreeze of course). One difference here: we use Fat Tire amber ale.
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Old 10-25-2009, 07:59 AM   #101
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Winterization... regarding the valves...

A question:
Should I leave the black and grey thank valves opened after winterization or should I close them?
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:04 AM   #102
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closing them keeps the seals in the proper shape.

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Old 10-25-2009, 09:27 AM   #103
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I finally got to winterizing myself this year after paying the dealer to do it last year. I didn't want to go to home depot to get a fitting and a hose to connect directly to the water pump, and I didn't want to pour antifreeze directly into the tank because I didn't know how to clean or take out the filter. Then at 2am one night it dawned on me...the exterior shower hose was probably the same size fitting. Sure enough it screwed right into the intake valve and it only took two gallons to do the whole trailer. I also opened up the hot water bypass after draining it to allow a little antifreeze to run through the HW tank. Thanks for all the good advice here.
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:32 PM   #104
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Using the fresh water tank

I'm at work and don't have time to find the post I'm about to mention, but I know in one of these winterizing threads I read of an owner who filled the fresh water tank with AF, turned on the pump, opened the faucets until pink ran out and that's how he/she winterized. It seems so easy - what is the reason(s) to NOT do it this way?
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:22 PM   #105
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Thanks, Gene;
For some reason I thought there was a brass fitting that clipped on to the adaptor so you wouldn't have to hold it. I have the plastic adaptor as well as one made of brass but haven't found the right aircompressor fitting except the one used to pump up tires. I haven't tried that one yet. Jim
I use an air chuck very similar to this,http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...70_42494_42494
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:19 PM   #106
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This is the first time for me to winterize my 1987 Excella. I will get the fittings to open the drains, use air to blow out the lines, and attach the fitting to the water pump to pump anti=freeze into the lines.

My question is, there is no drain on the hot water tank. The electric heating element apparently is screwed into that connection. Connected to the plumbing to and from the hot water tank is a box like gizmo called "Automatic Push Button Winterizing." I have all the owner's manuals, they came with the rig when I bought it last spring from the original owner. He's not available to answer my questions, unfortunately. There is a lever on that APBW as it's labeled. The lever has "bypass" and "normal flow". But with no manuals, and after diligent search, I can find no "push button" for automatic winterizing! LOLOL so, help?

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Old 11-10-2009, 05:39 PM   #107
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We all need to remember that Anti-freeze is lethal poison to cats dogs birds horses and people...when you get through the winter all nice and safe-don't be a dork and drain it out on open ground. Get rid of it through the proper facilities. I know alot of people know this, so I am just saying something for the ones who don't.
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...We all need to remember that Anti-freeze is lethal poison to cats dogs birds horses and people...
AUTOmotive yes...

RV no...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/472011-post22.html

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rv 'glycol' is proplyene and NEVER ethylene....

propylene glycol is used in foods and cosmetics and meds and can be consumed in small quanities

(as in a poorly rinsed freshwater tank)

ethylene glycol IS A POISON in even small amts and

should never be consumed or used in an application where ingestion is remotely possible...

many dogs are killed by licking up some sweet e/g....

so too many human kidneys distroyed by ingestion of 'ethyl'...
hopefully NO ONE puts automotive coolant in the trailer water lines OR tanks...

as for disposal...

BOTH propylene and ethylene glycol can be safely FLUSHED into most public sewer (toilet) lines...

this may not be true in ALL public water services.

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... I read of an owner who filled the fresh water tank with AF, turned on the pump, opened the faucets until pink ran out and that's how he/she winterized. It seems so easy - what is the reason(s) to NOT do it this way?...
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f458...uck-22185.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f443...ean-36730.html

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I'm at work and don't have time to find the post I'm about to mention, but I know in one of these winterizing threads I read of an owner who filled the fresh water tank with AF, turned on the pump, opened the faucets until pink ran out and that's how he/she winterized. It seems so easy - what is the reason(s) to NOT do it this way?
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Hi John. The syrupy consistency of RV antifreeze makes it extremely difficult to remove from a fresh water tank. Running it thru the pump [via bypass valve] only puts it in the piping where water changes occur pretty fast while you run fresh water through in the spring and let the pump run and run. We usually carry jugs for fresh drinking water. Even with flushing the pipes in the spring, I don't give the dogs water out of the tap until the 3rd trip or so and I don't see any further foaming.

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We all need to remember that Anti-freeze is lethal poison to cats dogs birds horses and people...when you get through the winter all nice and safe-don't be a dork and drain it out on open ground. Get rid of it through the proper facilities. I know alot of people know this, so I am just saying something for the ones who don't.
Propylene glycol in RV antifreeze is not the same as the more toxic ethylene glycol we usually use in our cars & trucks. Propylene glycol is available in USP purity and used in cosmetics and, yes, even a moistening agent in some pet foods. See Propylene Glycol Antifreeze Safer for Pets: PG Antifreeze a Less Toxic Alternative to Ethylene Glycol Products | Suite101.com. I still keep it away from pet ingestion. And boy, it sure does kill grass very well!
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:00 PM   #110
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And, filling the fresh water tank means a lot of gallons. Mine is 39. RV antifreeze varies in price, but multiply the price by gallons and the $ is enough you could take it an RV dealer for winterizing cheaper.

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Old 11-10-2009, 09:34 PM   #111
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One minor addition that someone recently suggested is that once you have the water tank bypassed and you are pumping antifreeze into the system, to crack the valves to the HW tank open for a second to blow any residual water out of the short pipes into the tank. Made sense to me and I added it to my list. The person that posted said that he had one of these pipes crack on him.

Maybe you had that and I missed it - if so, apologies!


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Thanks Bob - I figured there must be a reason to not do it that way, and I did notice the AF seems kind of thick.
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