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Old 12-31-2007, 10:11 AM   #1
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Am I just being lazy / stupid??

I have my AS inside an insulated unheated building. Our outside temps here in SE Idaho of 12 and 13 degrees have never taken the tempratures inside the trailer down to 32 F. I have only drained the hot water heater, drained out the fresh and black water tanks and have blown out the lines with a compressor. I have had an unexplainable reluctance to put anti-freeze in the system.

Now it is forecast to drop to minus 10 F. Am I stupid to think that I am OK without antifreeze? Feel free to be blunt, because I can still mend my ways.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:19 AM   #2
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If you have blown out the system properly you should be OK. You should, however, still put some antifreeze down your drains to displace the water in the traps.

Having said that, I am still an advocate of winterizing the whole system with antifreeze. I even filled the water heater. I do not put any in my fresh water tank.

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Old 12-31-2007, 10:21 AM   #3
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It sounds like you have the ideal storage location. As far as freezing temperatures reaching the critical parts of your trailer, you may want to use some precautions to prevent damage. I would at least blow out the lines - there is cheep adaptor for this at Walmart. I would add antifreeze to the sinks and shower drains and insure that some of it reaches the tanks as a precaution. And, I would continue to empty the hot water and fresh water tanks.

If your storage location has power, maybe look into an electric space heater to keep temperatures up in the the trailer to above freezing, set it on a low setting to come on when it gets real cold. You never know when the door may be left open and at those temps it would not take long to freeze a water line.

My opinion only - if you are comfortable with the setup then you should be fine.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:50 AM   #4
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I have my AS inside an insulated unheated building. Our outside temps here in SE Idaho of 12 and 13 degrees have never taken the tempratures inside the trailer down to 32 F. I have only drained the hot water heater, drained out the fresh and black water tanks and have blown out the lines with a compressor. I have had an unexplainable reluctance to put anti-freeze in the system.

Now it is forecast to drop to minus 10 F. Am I stupid to think that I am OK without antifreeze? Feel free to be blunt, because I can still mend my ways.
Blowing out the lines is perfectly adequate if you get enough pressure into the lines to get them clear of moisture. My local dealer uses air pressure only with no ramifications. Now, he's running a fairly decent compressor and not one of the 12 volt units which really can't dry out a line.

You do however need to address those drains. You have two ways to go here. One is to pour some RV antifreeze into them or blow them out with a shop vac. I used to do both. That way a minimum of antifreeze could be used (and really the only reason was to prevent odor backup from the grey tank).

Bottom line there are probably lots of folks on this forum who have been victims of a previous owners neglect or guessing that all is ok. Personally I believe in overkill rather than have to deal with split pipes or fittings which can cause much more grief than what little time you spend on pumping a little antifreeze into the system and then doing a good flush in the spring. I've been doing this routine for over 20 years without having any issues with freezing or removing the antifreeze from the lines.

I still believe however that there is a difference in products out there and I've always used a premium brand of antifreeze. I used to by the low cost stuff until I had a rubber toilet bladder disintegrate over a winter. I know that the antifreeze caused it to melt down.

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Old 12-31-2007, 11:34 AM   #5
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I agree completely with the blow-out solution. I let the pump run until it won't pump water from the fresh water tank. I then use a "home-owner" type 110 volt compressor regulated to about 40 psi, and let air flow several minutes with all faucets open, until I don't hear the water rumbling in the pipes. I do drain the water heater and add RV antifreeze to the traps. With your indoor storage, and blown out, I'd just go with it. I never want antifreeze in my tank or pipes.
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:46 AM   #6
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Several have mentioned antifreeze, and I know this has been covered elsewhere...
There is a difference between automotive antifreeze and RV antifreeze. Even if you aren't comfortable using rv anti freeze in the fresh water system, there is no reason that I'm aware of, not to use it in the drains.
Automotive antifreeze is entirely different.
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:56 AM   #7
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i would advise using the anti freeze unless you are very adept at anually replacing your moen faucet cartriges and your toilet sprinkler head.

seems no amount of air gets all the droplets out.

last year the coldest it got was -44F where i store my trailer, perhaps i am just paranoid and tired of fixing the faucets!

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last year the coldest it got was -44F where i store my trailer
Where do you store it? At the northpole????

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i would advise using the anti freeze unless you are very adept at anually replacing your moen faucet cartriges and your toilet sprinkler head.

seems no amount of air gets all the droplets out.

last year the coldest it got was -44F where i store my trailer, perhaps i am just paranoid and tired of fixing the faucets!

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Old 12-31-2007, 02:34 PM   #10
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Minus 44? I don't think our freezer gets that cold

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i would advise using the anti freeze unless you are very adept at anually replacing your moen faucet cartriges and your toilet sprinkler head.

seems no amount of air gets all the droplets out.

last year the coldest it got was -44F where i store my trailer, perhaps i am just paranoid and tired of fixing the faucets!

john
Wow, and you still live there? Can people actually do that?

I'd be doing more than blowing out the lines and adding antifreeze - I'd be taking it somewhere warm for the winter where going outside doesn't mean the potential of losing fingers and toes, etc.

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Old 12-31-2007, 02:41 PM   #11
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nope just a "normal" winter here in wisconsin.

data was collected by my friend who has his trailer stored with mine, he has a high/low recorder on his onboard thermometer.

down by where i live the coldest i actually saw was -37F in my truck on the way to work one morning last jan.

needless to say i was glad my diesel did not gel up that day!

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Old 12-31-2007, 02:45 PM   #12
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I removed the Moen filter cartridge and took it in the house last winter. Worked for me. Of course, we don't get down to -44F in Metro-Atlanta very often.
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Old 12-31-2007, 02:57 PM   #13
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getting down to about 20 here near Memphis. I'll just turn on the water heater, heat pump/propane auto backup, leave the cabinets open under the sinks and don't worry about it. Worked last year. People do live in these things in the colder climates.
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Old 12-31-2007, 03:19 PM   #14
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compressed air won't reach the pump; the pump won't pump itself completely dry. It is only protected then, if you remove it from the trailer...or, pump it full of antifreeze.
The one year I used only compressed air, I had damage to the pump, where the pressure switch was pushed away from the pump housing 'till it cracked and split. That was a fairly cold winter...but it wasn't any "-44".

But apparently, I'm the only person on the face of the planet that this has ever happened to.

in any case, after I added the water heater bypass, and the "winterizing kit", it takes less than 10 minutes, and about 1.5 gallons of antifreeze to fill everything....including the pump.
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