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Old 11-06-2007, 11:20 AM   #29
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Yes, nice building indeed. Our 25' International would fit nicely in there! How far are you from the Washington, D.C. Beltway?
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:32 AM   #30
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Yes, nice building indeed. Our 25' International would fit nicely in there! How far are you from the Washington, D.C. Beltway?

Jersey Shore, PA 17740, 10 Miles west of Williamsport, PA.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:19 AM   #31
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We currently live in a pole barn while we are deciding what to do about a permanent dwelling. My father-in-law lived here before us for about 15 years. The barn is a 40x60 pole barn, about two thirds has been converted into an apartment that is called the bungalo. Our kids don't want to move, they love the barn. I need to clear some space inside the barn so I can attempt to put our Argosy 24 in it. There is plenty of room for it to fit but I don't know if I can make the swing into the barn. It's not a problem with the doors as they are two sliding units about 8 or 9 feet wide each by 18 feet tall. The problem is the well house is too close to the barn making it a very tight turn for the camper. We are actually thinking of building another, nicer "barn" to get around a county building code based on county tax revenue greed. We have 5 acres and are only allowed one residence on it. If we develop it and run elec. plumbing and a road we can put 25 fouses on it and give the county lots of tax revenue. As it is your only allowed 1 residence per 4 acres of land, it used to be two acres per 1 res. then the county got greedier. You can however get a building permit for a barn with sep. elec. and sep. meter as well as it's own plumbing.

Before you ask yes there is already a house on the property that we rent out and can't tear down as my wife's father built the house by himself and doesn't want to see torn down and out of respect and keeping the peace in the family we won't tear it down. We looked into expanding and renovating the house and every builder/architect we had come out said tear it down. You can build a new house for less money, which we believe when we got bids from all of them(crazy high).

So if there are any builders or other government loophole savvy people out there that has any alternative ideas that will allow us to bypass the code we would deeply appreciate the advice. Thanks.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:14 AM   #32
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So if there are any builders or other government loophole savvy people out there that has any alternative ideas that will allow us to bypass the code we would deeply appreciate the advice. Thanks.
The zoning rules are there for one of three reasons:

1. To generate revenue
2. To maintain the existing character of the area, or create a greenbelt.
3. To limit the amount of nitrogen and pathogens injected into the groundwater. In other words, to provide separation between your drainfield and your wellhouse.

If you know the reason your property is zoned as it is, you will have a better chance of getting a variance, or approval for a PUD (planned unit development).

You would need to get approval from the Board of Adjustments to add a second principal structure on your lot. You may already be in non-compliance by living in the barn. Consult an attorney.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:21 AM   #33
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The zoning rules are there for one of three reasons:

1. To generate revenue
2. To maintain the existing character of the area, or create a greenbelt.
3. To limit the amount of nitrogen and pathogens injected into the groundwater. In other words, to provide separation between your drainfield and your wellhouse.

If you know the reason your property is zoned as it is, you will have a better chance of getting a variance, or approval for a PUD (planned unit development).

You would need to get approval from the Board of Adjustments to add a second principal structure on your lot. You may already be in non-compliance by living in the barn. Consult an attorney.
Well no.1 is the reason as they will pet us develop it. The county inspectors know somone lives in the barn unless they are totally devoid of any intelligence, although they say there shouldn't be two residences on the property. Their are smaller properties than ours in this county where they have more than 2 residences. The barn apartment was built under the radar about 17 years ago and I'm sure if they wanted to they could have us move out and gut the barn and turn it back into just a barn. My wife is an attorney, works for a large real estate firm we tried to get a variance with no success and she doesn't like the idea of building anything else under the zoning radar as they could come in later and make us tear it down and fine us. It just pisses us off that we can't build another house on our own d#$%ed land. It has nothing to do with a green belt or inadequate leaching or drainage it's all about generating more tax revenue. Thanks for the advice anyway. We have pretty much come to the conclusion that we will have to buy more property somewhere and build or buy a house. Property is very high in the town where our kids go to school but they have phenomenal schools and we are not going to move the kids. 1/3 acre lot goes for anywhere from 80,000 to 125,000 (and we don't have a high cost of living here), undeveloped land in the area is about 75,000-100,000 per acre of which there is very little left in the school zone.

It just stinks big time. Sorry for the rant. Everyone have a good day.
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It just stinks big time. Sorry for the rant. Everyone have a good day.
If revenue is the goal, I don't understand why they wouldn't let you subdivide and build another residence.

Wouldn't that generate more permit fees and tax revenue?
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If revenue is the goal, I don't understand why they wouldn't let you subdivide and build another residence.

Wouldn't that generate more permit fees and tax revenue?
This area is booming and they want me to develop it and put multiple units on it or sell it to a developer. Developments are going up all around us. What used to be a rural country setting is now a huge development area with 400,000-600,000 dollar homes(theses would be 3 times this price say in California or New York) all around us. Our corridor has been holding out from being incorporated into Collierville city limits for a few years now. We want to stay in the county so we can keep riding dirtbikes, four wheelers, horses, having bon fires, shooting skeet, target shooting and hunting as well. We had big plans when we took over the property and they have all gone away, it really stinks but hey we'll make the best of it.
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Old 11-17-2007, 05:21 PM   #36
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Is the implication of development that you would have to be anexed into the city limits instead of still being in the county? What would happen if you subdivided and just did not build on any of the lots except for one? Would you have lost your status of being in the county? How about splitting of just a part of the land and developing it? Could you do that so that the majority of your property is still county but the split off lot would be city?

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