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Old 11-03-2009, 03:35 PM   #15
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:32 PM   #16
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:48 PM   #17
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<CRINGE!> Thanks so much for the cautionary tale. Those who post scary, close call reminders like these are much appreciated and help keep us all on our toes.

This morning, hitching up, a certain Airstream partner I live with took off the chockablocks prematurely (WHAT he was thinking, not sure) and our trailer rolled forward off the hitchstand and crashed and skidded hitch-first onto the driveway. No damage (we think) but the noise alone scared the kapok out of us both.
Sometimes we get too comfortable with these machines we're familiar with and cut corners on safety. Gotta go through the checklist, step by step, every time, even if we know it by heart!
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:18 PM   #18
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<CRINGE!> Thanks so much for the cautionary tale. Those who post scary, close call reminders like these are much appreciated and help keep us all on our toes.

This morning, hitching up, a certain Airstream partner I live with took off the chockablocks prematurely (WHAT he was thinking, not sure) and our trailer rolled forward off the hitchstand and crashed and skidded hitch-first onto the driveway. No damage (we think) but the noise alone scared the kapok out of us both.
Sometimes we get too comfortable with these machines we're familiar with and cut corners on safety. Gotta go through the checklist, step by step, every time, even if we know it by heart!
There are 8 (eight) basic check lists.

1. Start up of furnace and/or reefer. Fill water. Empty holding tanks. Full LPG.

2. Goodies you want to take.

3. Pre towing. Check the house shut down and security.

4. During the trip. Tires, hitch, water, holding tanks.

5. After returning. Holding tanks.

6. Shut down

7. Remove goodies left.

8. Checking the coach when in storage, every 2 to 3 months.

Seriously.

Many detailed other things can be added to this list, per each families needs.

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Old 11-07-2009, 08:58 PM   #19
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Oh well, chalk it up to experience! (yeah, I know, easy for me to say!)

I don't know if it would have helped, but no need to take both wheels off at once, also a good idea if poss. to leave the trailer hooked up to the TV.

Glad you are ok and hope it won't cost too much to fix.


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Old 11-07-2009, 09:59 PM   #20
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leaving the TV hooked up is NOT a good idea, unless changing a roadside flat.

and in THAT situation be SURE to release the W/D bar tension and STILL CHOCK the opposite tire x2.
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it is generally better to RAISE the tongue (unhooked) using the tongue jack to almost FULL UP.

then place the JACK near the rear ON the frame rail MARKER, per the factory manual AND the SOP at the service center.

once JACKED UP the trailer will have 3 stable points (frame jack, tongue jack, opposite tire/s (which are chocked on both sides)

((and those 3 points are near the ENDS of the trailer, they are MUCH more stable than using the axle plates for support.))

THEN place a jack STAND, under the axle plate, but NOT touching it....

this is the safety step (jack stand) in case the frame supporting jack should give way.

i would use 2 jack stands for safety supports on each side (like RC's pic), but have a long long trailer.

this is EXACTLY how the factory service center does it,

only they DO in fact RAISE BOTH SIDES with jacks and the tongue...

then use the jack STANDS at the axle plates for safety/bracing on BOTH SIDES.

but they LEAVE the trailers UP on THE JACKS while servicing the hubs/brakes and so on...

obviously one needs a RELIABLE jack and properly rated STANDS too.

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http://www.airforums.com/forums/428907-post42.html
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bummer about the whoops phantom and thanks for sharing it.

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Old 11-08-2009, 12:36 AM   #21
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Sorry for your trailer bit thanks for the heads up.
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:47 AM   #22
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UPDATE FROM PHANTOM...
Took trailer to dealer (Woodland in Grand Rapids, MI) on Friday 10/30.
Adjuster to dealer to see trailer on Tues. 11/3.
Check mailed from insurance (Auto Owners) on Thurs. 11/5. Damages: $6545 !
Couldn't ask for better service. Now to see how long to complete the repairs.
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:00 PM   #23
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leaving the TV hooked up is NOT a good idea, unless changing a roadside flat.

and in THAT situation be SURE to release the W/D bar tension and STILL CHOCK the opposite tire x2.
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it is generally better to RAISE the tongue (unhooked) using the tongue jack to almost FULL UP.

then place the JACK near the rear ON the frame rail MARKER, per the factory manual AND the SOP at the service center.

once JACKED UP the trailer will have 3 stable points (frame jack, tongue jack, opposite tire/s (which are chocked on both sides)

((and those 3 points are near the ENDS of the trailer, they are MUCH more stable than using the axle plates for support.))

THEN place a jack STAND, under the axle plate, but NOT touching it....

this is the safety step (jack stand) in case the frame supporting jack should give way.

i would use 2 jack stands for safety supports on each side (like RC's pic), but have a long long trailer.

this is EXACTLY how the factory service center does it,

only they DO in fact RAISE BOTH SIDES with jacks and the tongue...

then use the jack STANDS at the axle plates for safety/bracing on BOTH SIDES.

but they LEAVE the trailers UP on THE JACKS while servicing the hubs/brakes and so on...

obviously one needs a RELIABLE jack and properly rated STANDS too.

picture proof...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/428907-post42.html
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bummer about the whoops phantom and thanks for sharing it.

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Sorry, but there is no way I'am going to balance my trailer on the tongue jack extended out as far as it will go. You can't convince me that would be stronger then sitting on the truck ball.
Jackson Centre may do it that way but they don't have a truck to sit each trailer on, so they have come up with their own way of lifting. I have found many things I would not do the way Jackson Centre does, since I started repairing old trailers.
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:41 PM   #24
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Sorry, but there is no way I'am going to balance my trailer on the tongue jack extended out as far as it will go. You can't convince me that would be stronger then sitting on the truck ball.
Jackson Centre may do it that way but they don't have a truck to sit each trailer on, so they have come up with their own way of lifting. I have found many things I would not do the way Jackson Centre does, since I started repairing old trailers.
I have a 32' trailer. I agree with you completely. I leave my trailer hooked to the tow vehicle. I jack up one side and do the wheel bearings one wheel at a time and when finished move the jack around to the other side. I can only do one wheel at a time, so why would I want to jack up both sides and create a safety hazard?
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I have a 32' trailer. I agree with you completely. I leave my trailer hooked to the tow vehicle. I jack up one side and do the wheel bearings one wheel at a time and when finished move the jack around to the other side. I can only do one wheel at a time, so why would I want to jack up both sides and create a safety hazard?
You can lift 2 wheels at one time, by pulling the tires on one axle up on some 2 X 6's.

When done with the first axle, do the same thing with the other axle.

No lifting, no jacks, no hazards, and very stable even with a high wind.

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...there is no way I'am going to balance my trailer on the tongue jack extended out as far as it will go. You can't convince me that would be stronger then sitting on the truck ball...
not my task or desire 2 convince u of nething.

besides YOU have a trio of old trailers that need all sorts of queer handling and care.

and the o.p. has a new unit.

but doing extensive MAINTENANCE (on any trailer) while hooked UP/on the ball creates LOTS of issues.

all bad.

the ball/cup/coupler and so on aren't designed to support a suspended trailer AND lift a truck rear end.

and without the w/d bars the tongue weight may SAG the rear suspension on many tow vehicles.

the truck can MOVE, a tire go flat and so on.

and what if u need the truck for a beer, a tim hortons, some ketchup chips or a bag of smarties...??

the tongue jack is rated to MUCH more than the tongue weight,

and RAISING the front means LESS jacking to get a tire off the ground.

and using the tongue jack means the trailer can be LEVEL (front to back) after jacking up the frame.

changing a flat roadside, especially on a multi axle trailer (using a ramp) staying connected is reasonable.

but WHO here leaves the trailer CONNECTED to a tow vehicle for extensive work or prolonged repairs???

(a long quiet pause)

i can't find ne threads titled "install new axles, shell off restoration or full monty, while HOOKED to me truck"
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MANY campsites require the tongue jack to SUPPORT the trailer front (extended) and with folks inside.

so strength of the tongue jack isn't an issue.
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typically here when a simple thread about 'how to tighten a wingnut' or

a personal report about an accident or whoops is posted,

ALL sorts of "here's what U shoulda done" stuff gets posted.

not my intend 2 do that.
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THANKS for the follow up phantom,

hope the repairs go well and post some pictures if ya can...

we love looking at OThER peoples disasters...

cheers
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Old 11-08-2009, 06:39 PM   #27
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So sorry to hear of your accident. Thank you so much for sharing. Yesterday my husband removed one tire. His intention was to remove both and go get new tires. After removing one he changed his mind but the tire was difficult to get back in the wheel well as you said. We have all learned lessons here. Safety first. Thank you again.
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You can lift 2 wheels at one time, by pulling the tires on one axle up on some 2 X 6's.

When done with the first axle, do the same thing with the other axle.

No lifting, no jacks, no hazards, and very stable even with a high wind.

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That's true, but I don't like the idea of putting all the trailer weight on two tires and one axle.
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