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Old 11-20-2018, 03:08 AM   #57
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He may be referring to things that happened quite a few years ago...just guessing.

Wood blocks for me. I still crack up when I see people use $100 worth of injection molded plastic to level a trailer.
Andersen carved his name in the side of an Arch last year or the year before, not "quite a few years ago", but it does not matter WHEN it was done. Consequently I won't buy anything more from his company.

Boogs pic of a wooden wedge ring a bell. I will cut some wood up and give it a try. One problem I had with the red levelers was a tendency to skid or slip when pulling up on them. The wooden blocks probably would be less prone to slippage. Great idea, thanks for posting the pics. One of those slap you head moments.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:00 AM   #58
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KK4Y, very true but I think you are missing my point. I am pretty sure
Andersen is a 100% American small business with dozens of hard working
Employees. To see this company crash and burn because of the stupid
actions of the owner and his family seems pretty harsh. I think we have
forgiven the Germans, Japanese and Italians for their transgressions
during WWII that resulted in over 100 million human lives.

I am also pretty sure the majority of Toyota’s profits are funneled back
into Japan and rightly so.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:25 AM   #59
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FYI here is the thread about Ryan Andersen's graffiti, guilty plea, etc. and lots of discussion about the various issues cropping up here [again]:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f224...np-179854.html

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Old 11-20-2018, 11:05 AM   #60
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KK4Y, very true but I think you are missing my point. I am pretty sure

Andersen is a 100% American small business with dozens of hard working

Employees. To see this company crash and burn because of the stupid

actions of the owner and his family seems pretty harsh. I think we have

forgiven the Germans, Japanese and Italians for their transgressions

during WWII that resulted in over 100 million human lives.



I am also pretty sure the majority of Toyota’s profits are funneled back

into Japan and rightly so.


You make some good points. There is a significant difference between global war and Andersen’s selfish stupidity. Wouldn’t it be great to have neither?

Having said that - if I focus in on Andersen - that he would imagine himself so privileged as to have the “right” to deface our property on our land - (and involve his kids in the crime) and imagine there should be no consequence for that is hubris on top of stupidity. His actions and his actions alone put his company in jeopardy. His apology - the equivalent of being sorry for getting caught - is what continues to jeopardize the business.

He should have resigned and handed the company over to others (there’s no one there who could run it without him? hard to believe....). That way, he could have put distance between his selfish stupidity and the honest, hard working families he put in jeopardy.

Life isn’t consequence-free. At best, it’s consequence-delayed. He should have stepped up to the plate and taken real accountability for this immediately. He didn’t. He wants to skate by with a fake apology and hope no one notices.

I wish the innocent families of that company all the best, but until and unless he leaves, they’ll never see another dollar from me, nor will I act as free marketing/advertising for them.

That’s *my* choice - everyone’s mileage can and should vary and I’m not here to judge one way or another. If you want their products, have at it and happy camping!

As for global wars - let’s be honest - there’s plenty of reason for others countries to boycott us too. Countries fight and hopefully make up. When you zoom out far enough, it makes no sense. Sagan made that point brilliantly here:

https://youtu.be/GO5FwsblpT8

...but it is what it is. The Brits burned down Washington, including the White House in 1814 - we’re chummy with them now (somewhat).

There’s not much rhyme or reason to this stuff. Which is exactly why camping is so essential - level your camper with whatever you like - I’m perfectly capable of holding my own opinion without judging those whose opinions differ from mine....
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...but it is what it is. The Brits burned down Washington, including the White House in 1814 - we’re chummy with them now (somewhat).
The burning of Washington was in retaliation for the unauthorized sacking of civilian property in Port Dover on Lake Erie by American Lieutenant Colonel John B. Campbell during the War of 1812.

p.s. Sorry for the thread hijack, but as I live in Port Dover I couldn't resist.
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Old 11-20-2018, 11:52 AM   #62
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The burning of Washington was in retaliation for the unauthorized sacking of civilian property in Port Dover on Lake Erie by American Lieutenant Colonel John B. Campbell during the War of 1812.

p.s. Sorry for the thread hijack, but as I live in Port Dover I couldn't resist.


Understood

Hey, we’ve all done something to piss someone else off. Can’t tell you how many childhood memories I have getting punished by my parents and the defense that THEY started it ended up meaning nothing
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Well after having used the Anderson Levelers for two seasons I have come full circle and like wood blocks from my milk crate a bit better for a couple of reasons.


The three reasons I don't like the Anderson levelers:
1.) slip on wet pavement, mud or leaves
2.) sometimes can get stuck up under the fender or wedged between the wheels
3.) when the trailer is pulled up onto the levelers you have to put the wedges up under the levelers. This causes me to get back in the truck another time and to let weight off the drivetrain and let the trailer settle into the levelers. Kind of a pain to me. When leaving you have to remove the wedges and back off or pull over the levelers potentially causing issues. This is even a bigger pain if you working solo.


I like 2 x 10 wood blocks:
1.) stack neatly in the milk crate
2.) they are easy to pull the trailer onto blocks without slipping
3.) the trailer can be pull over the wood blocks without issue
4.) I can quickly level by the use of the increments on the wheel masters trailer level which tell me how many blocks are needed.

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Old 11-21-2018, 02:40 AM   #64
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SteveSueMac,

This is the most well thought out and reasonable comment regarding the Andersen incident I have read to date. Thank you.

Crispyboy,

Also a thank you for the attachment of the Level Master with indicators, very much appreciated.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:36 AM   #65
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Echoing Rzrbrn that SSM's two comments are spot-on level IMO.

Well said.

You are cleared to travel without any additional leveling devices!



Have a good Thanksgiving, all.

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The burning of Washington was in retaliation for the unauthorized sacking of civilian property in Port Dover on Lake Erie by American Lieutenant Colonel John B. Campbell during the War of 1812.

p.s. Sorry for the thread hijack, but as I live in Port Dover I couldn't resist.
Yeah, and most of those soldiers considered themselves expats at the time; which means they were actually Canadian; which explains why they politely asked people to leave the buildings in Washington before they torched them; saying "sorry, yes, of course you can take the china".

On a note to this thread......I have actually used the remnants of my Coosa subfloor as levellers.......will not rot, far lighter than plywood, extremely strong and will not compress, won't absorb water, easily cleaned, just wipe off.

If you're close to a marina or shipyard that uses the product, ask them for their off cuts.

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Old 11-21-2018, 05:28 AM   #67
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Cheese & crackers got all muddy...how did we get from writing on rocks to burning Washington?

Anyone got a match? 😂

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Understood

Hey, we’ve all done something to piss someone else off. Can’t tell you how many childhood memories I have getting punished by my parents and the defense that THEY started it ended up meaning nothing
Exactly.

By the way, having never been to the Arch and frankly no plans to see it, is this the only graffiti on it or are there other marks?
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Old 11-21-2018, 05:47 AM   #69
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Cheese & crackers got all muddy...how did we get from writing on rocks to burning Washington?



Anyone got a match?



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Go back to reply #49 - it’s an interesting argument.

Sorry - no matches - gave up my favorite vice (great cigars) a few years ago (yes, I miss them...). Bringing this full circle - cigars are not good levelers.
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By the way, having never been to the Arch and frankly no plans to see it, is this the only graffiti on it or are there other marks?


If you google “vandalism at national parks” you’ll see too many links to answer your question. The first being a statement from the NPS: https://www.nps.gov/articles/vandalism-hurts.htm
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