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Old 10-03-2005, 10:00 AM   #29
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Flyfisher.

You stated one of the main reasons for not using the "jack" plate as a lifting point, in your post.

If you are not extremely careful, using the jack plate as a lifting point, you will damage the frame. Also, if the trailer slipped off the jack, it will go through the underbelly and possibly the floor.

Using the axle mounting plate, eliminates those possibilities.

Another reason, for not using the jack plates, is once the trailer is off the ground, you may or may not damage sheet metal, and, you may or may not open the entrance door, since you have severely twisted the shell.

Again, that does not happen when you use the axle mounting plate for lifting purposes.

The bottom line is if you use the jack plate area to lift the trailer, there are many disadvantages and zero advantages.

Lifting the trailer from the axle mounting plate, has all advantages and zero disadvantages.

Not much to think about as to which method is superior.

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Old 10-03-2005, 11:37 AM   #30
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jack points

ok lets put this issue to bed once and for all.

the photos that started this thread show the correct way to jack your trailer.

and here is why: my trailer has a jack point as described in the manual, it has a sticker pointing to the approved spot. AND a nice piece of sheet metal riveted to the underside so you can find it!

the reason i would never use it to jack my trailer is because it is fully 5 FEET! behind the axles. can you say buckled skin? these trailers flex, don't believe this? run your curbside front stabilizer jack down too far and try to close the door!

i think where the confusion comes from on this topic is from misleading info in the manual, and the fact BAL stabilizing jacks are accessories. most older trailers don't come with them and the owner is expected to use stand alone jacks to stabilize the trailer.

attached is the photo of my jack point i'll never use, and the pages from the manual.

as is pointed out in prior posts, it is just common sense. jack on the axle plate.

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Old 10-03-2005, 12:09 PM   #31
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The lifting point has been in a state of confusion for over 40 years.

Maybe we could have another subject matter, such as "Confusions laid to rest" with "facts". Or perhaps "Facts not Fiction".

Common sense sometimes is over ruled by hearsay, rumors, and but... but... but.....

Closing the entrance door is always the test.

When the trailer is jacked up, off the ground, can you open and close the entrance door? If the answer is yes, then you jacked it up correctly. If the answer is no, then obviously, the trailer was not jacked up correctly.

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Old 10-04-2005, 06:13 PM   #32
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Maybe we could have another subject matter, such as "Confusions laid to rest" with "facts". Or perhaps "Facts not Fiction".

Common sense sometimes is over ruled by hearsay, rumors, and but... but... but.....

Closing the entrance door is always the test.
Huh?


Here's another jacking method that works, the picture proves it, no hearsay, rumor or buts..
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:04 PM   #33
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Wondering how I am suposed to jack the 19' Bambi up if I get a flat.I have been reading the manual but if anyone has any pics to show me where it goes it would be much appreciated.I am just wanting to do this right.Thanks.
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:52 PM   #34
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Touchy subject.
I know my 77 Minuet has no marked jacking points.
The manual says "To change a tire with a jack, see the label affixed to the underbelly just to the rear of the wheels. This indicates the proper jack placement."
When the belly pan was off, the frame looked the same along its' length, no special reinforcement at the "Designated Jack Points".
In seeing the thickness of the C-channel frame, I have little faith in jacking at such a small surface as provided by the jack head alone.
To ease my mind about collapsing the frame, I always use a 12" 2x4 between the jack and frame. This spreads the lift weight of the trailer out over a larger portion of the frame.
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I need to jack up my 1977 overlander to remove the belly skin. To work underneath the trailer, I am assuming that I would use the same procedure. But before I make a serios error.........
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:07 PM   #36
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Thanks for the input, Andy. I always suspected those little diamonds were a squirrely place to jack the rig. Now,I am not entirely sure how I locate the axle mounting plates. Can you clear that up? Thanks. BTW, I have an '04 16.
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Old 10-27-2005, 08:44 AM   #37
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The axle mounting plates are welded to the side of the frame.

The axle or axles are then bolted to that plate with two bolts at each end of the axle.

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Old 10-27-2005, 05:04 PM   #38
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Dustyrhodes ..... if you are lifting the trailer off the ground such that the wheels no longer touch, I would place support over many places on the trailer along the frame rails. An Overlander is not light and the frame rails are inboard of the tires. So the trailer will be less stable than if it were on tires.

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Could you use a long piece of angle iron to spread the load along the frame. Wrap it over the strong side of the "C" channel.

What do you do if you want to take both wheels off one side to do some resto work?

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The jacking point on any Airstream or Argosy trailer is the axle mounting plate, ONLY.

WHY????

SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY

You won't damage the underbelly, or take the risk of the jack sliding off the frame and punching a hole in the underbelly, or the trailer falling off the jack.

You take an unnecessary risk "IF" you use the jack plate label location.

Why take a chance?????

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Old 11-17-2005, 01:35 PM   #41
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my 2 cents

We were worried about all of the same issues, so we made "ramps" to pull the trailer onto. Here are some pictures. It worked really well, and the trailer was stable to walk inside of. We also used jacks in various places to stabilize and level it.

The only problem was the trailer was still a little too low to the ground to comfortably do work, you could make the "ramps" higher however. But with these I felt comfortable being under there safely. We have earthquake issues

sorry the picture is a little dark.
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the absolutely LAST next post on where to 'jack up' an airstream...

ok folks

every once in a while an issue that's been beat to death...

and put to rest,

needs reviving!

there are lots of threads here on 'where to jack up' or jacking up an airstream.

there is even a sticky

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...ler-25094.html

almost all of those in the know proclaim "never jack on the frame jack points"

and "always jack on the axle mounting plates"

right?

well a few weeks back while at the factory in j/c i dealt with this question...

for my last time.

on the tour don made a point of telling folks "always jack your trailer at the labled jack points"

he said it every day.

so i pulled him aside and commented that we debate this issue regularly...

his reply was "use the jack points as noted in the owners manual"

"what about the axle mounting plates?" i protested...

"no, no, but do put supports there" he said.

so out on the service floor i watched 'em raise my 34...

sure enough they used a jack at the back on the marked frame locations!

so i asked the service guys...

"yep we ALWAYS jack 'em up like this" was the reply from everyone. tech, team leaders and head rivet.

and sure enough i watched every trailer go up this way...

1. jack at the marked frame plates
2. tongue jack raised to max
3. stabilizers placed at the axle mounting plates.

here are some photos after the fact...

see the RED jack at the rear end UNDER the frame rail points?

along with the stabilizers later placed on the axle mounting plates?

no fooling kids that IS how they do it!

cheers
2air'

btw, yes i carry and use the trailer-aid ramp for changing one wheel without a jack....

click on the pix for a BIGGER view!
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