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Old 03-07-2014, 01:15 PM   #29
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Dexter Axle unequivocally advised us to NOT lift by one wheel/axle, but only to lift at designated lift points aft of the rear wheels. Rationale is potential damage to the one axle supporting the entire side of the trailer. I've done per their recommendation with a floor jack at that point while the trailer is stabilized by hitching to the truck -- no problems.

They're the experts, I'm inclined to take their advice first.
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Old 03-07-2014, 03:35 PM   #30
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Apparently, this is what they use at the JC factory, according to one member who had his rig there on many occasions. He stated several times on here that JC always lifted his trailer to do work using those indicated spots.

And he was talking about a 34-footer...

But this isn't the first time that this information (as printed in many Owners Manual over many, many years) has been disputed on our forum.
This is the post you are speaking of. Well worth a look.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f457...tml#post428907
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Old 03-07-2014, 04:00 PM   #31
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I guess I should get that oil change ramp out of there and put a floor jack and jack stands in...
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Dexter Axle unequivocally advised us to NOT lift by one wheel/axle, but only to lift at designated lift points aft of the rear wheels. Rationale is potential damage to the one axle supporting the entire side of the trailer. I've done per their recommendation with a floor jack at that point while the trailer is stabilized by hitching to the truck -- no problems.

They're the experts, I'm inclined to take their advice first.
Once again, Dexter says the opposite of Airstream.

The weight that is being lifted is on the jack, and very little if any goes to the other side of the axle.

That is unless you lift it about 2 feet or higher.

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If Dexter is saying not to lift by "one wheel", are they suggesting that our time honored method of driving up on to boards to change the tire on a two axle unit is not acceptable to them? It certainly is OK with Airstream, it's even in my owners manual.
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So...
I can leave the oil change ramp in the trailer?
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m.hony-- Sorry, didn't mean to be redundant. I scrolled down too fast and missed your post.

But what has now got me interested is the difference of jacking on either the axle mounting plate or aft frame jack point versus driving up on one wheel with a two axle rig. The former puts no stress on that side of both axles. However when you drive up on one wheel, you're doubling the load on that one axle on that side of the rig. I'm not an engineer, but I presume all of the load ratings (tire, wheel, axle) are designed for the dynamic stresses encountered when you are driving down the road. So when you're loading one wheel during a static activity (changing a tire) you have not exceeded its true strength. Do manufacturers ever report any specs that would indicate a static load rating? Probably not for a towable. Anyone out there that thinks they know how it could be estimated?
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I have had a flat on a travel trailer tire twice.
The first time I was at a campground, set up, and did not want to move the trailer. I used a can of Fix-a-flat and a 12 volt compressor. The tire stayed up for a year or so and went flat again at home. I drove up on the oil change ramp to change the tire, then took it to a tire store where they fixed the tire, jacked the trailer, and replaced the tire/ wheel.
Then I got new tires...
Then I traded the trailer...
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Then I got new tires...
Then I traded the trailer...
Hi, you got a flat tire and got rid of the trailer?
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Not exactly like that...
I traded an SOB as the down payment on my Airstream...
I didn't realize I would be pulling the trigger quite so soon.
I had just put 4 new tires on the other trailer 4 months prior to trading.
Had I known I would be trading in 4 months I would not have bought new tires...
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I have Bambi and AAA RV Plus, but seriously, I mostly travel alone for work( cuts down on finger pointing) . I purchased a big X shape thingy to get lug nuts off and a bottle jack. I make sure my spare is checked each year for air.

I can't drive up on one tire since I only have one...so the "plate"is along edge just behind axel? I want to place bright duck tape under there so there is no question if the time ever comes and I need to change tire, or someone else does and does not understand and messes up my Airstream. Thank you in advance.
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X shaped thingy = 4 way lug wrench?
I think I would prefer a small floor jack over a bottle jack, but a bottle jack is a lot smaller.
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m.hony-- Sorry, didn't mean to be redundant. I scrolled down too fast and missed your post.

But what has now got me interested is the difference of jacking on either the axle mounting plate or aft frame jack point versus driving up on one wheel with a two axle rig. The former puts no stress on that side of both axles. However when you drive up on one wheel, you're doubling the load on that one axle on that side of the rig. I'm not an engineer, but I presume all of the load ratings (tire, wheel, axle) are designed for the dynamic stresses encountered when you are driving down the road. So when you're loading one wheel during a static activity (changing a tire) you have not exceeded its true strength. Do manufacturers ever report any specs that would indicate a static load rating? Probably not for a towable. Anyone out there that thinks they know how it could be estimated?
To my knowledge, that information does not exist.

But, why does the axle not fail when going over a speed bump, etc?

To me, if it did, the torsion axles would be a joke.

Short term, like changing a tire, has a zero damage effect on a torsion axle.

Just like Dexter also says that adding a shock mount after the axle is assembled will ruin the axle. WOW.

That increases the temperature, when done properly by 16 degrees.

If that amount of heat damages the rubber rods, then traveling in places like Airizona in the summer would also ruin the rubber rods. NOT!!!

Some old time employees at Dexter sure have a very distorted opinion of what does and what does not.

Henschen always welded the brackets on for over 50 years, without any issues. I stood there and watched them do it.

Also, I have photo's that clearly show that operation.

Once again, opinions are just that, and facts speak for themselves.

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Yes that is it thingy = lug wrench. So what and where do we single axel Bambis do? I would go look under, but we still have almost 2' snow around trailer. I do want to make sre and properly mark safe place to use bottle jack. Than you.
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