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Old 09-18-2010, 01:21 PM   #1
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Is the tongue bent?

I never been able to use the jack level since I got my AS (3 months old) and been using a carpenter level. I realized yesterday that hitched or not the tongue has a slight lift from the AS to the hitch. The photos are hitched with WD bars on. When unhitched, the lift diminishes but still exist.

Is that normal?

if yes, how can I adjust the jack level?

if not, what should I do?

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the pix are loaded such that we can not ENLARGE them with good resolution ...

it takes a few closer shots AND higher resolution,

to offer much that's useful.

YES the A frame can bow/bend

it's a regular thing on ANY of the longer larger streams...

read some here, stopping before post #78 ...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...ion-35237.html

"bent" however is not common but can happen.

there are easy clues to what's happening, WHILE it's happening...

and ways to measure the deflection, that is there.

post more revealing pics at least 1000x1000 and some closer shots.

and read this thread n look at the pix...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f396...ers-57860.html
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I didn't go to the other links mentioned, but I believe you can adjust the level itself on the jack - as least I can on ours, and aftermarket elec jack I installed as a replacement...this is how I did it on our AS...

1. find a level roadway to park the AS

2. level the trailer using the jack - measure carefully between the ground and the lower belt line - check using a carpenters level inside the trailer along the floor to confirm it's true..

3. adjust the level on the jack to show the bubble is level - usually there are three screws on the level for this adjustment

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I never been able to use the jack level since I got my AS (3 months old) and been using a carpenter level. I realized yesterday that hitched or not the tongue has a slight lift from the AS to the hitch. The photos are hitched with WD bars on. When unhitched, the lift diminishes but still exist.

Is that normal?

if yes, how can I adjust the jack level?

if not, what should I do?

Thanks
What brand and rating hitch bars are you using, and what is the exact description of your tow vehicle.

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I never been able to use the jack level since I got my AS (3 months old) and been using a carpenter level. I realized yesterday that hitched or not the tongue has a slight lift from the AS to the hitch. The photos are hitched with WD bars on. When unhitched, the lift diminishes but still exist.

Is that normal?

if yes, how can I adjust the jack level?

if not, what should I do?

Thanks

Can't be sure due to the small picture, but I'm looking at your hitch ball. It appears to be angled FORWARD. I think it looks like an adjustable hitch - Reese Dual Cam. Instead of worrying about the trailer, think about adjusting your hitch ball to be straight up and down, or lean back a tiny bit. If I am guessing right about the hitch, there are two big bolts that adjust the ball height - but they can also adjust the pitch. Loosen both - the top more than the bottom and push the top back - there are teeth to hold the angle so make sure you loosen at least 1/8" - move the head of the ball backward at least five teeth - maybe more.

Hope that helps.
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actually it's one of these...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ide-57179.html

towed with one of these

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...-on-62347.html

after giving up on these 2 ideas...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...ter-63041.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...-it-61232.html

SO it's an appropriately sized tv AND a top quality hitch...

the problem IS the a/s frame and overall trailer weight.

the bubble level IS adjustable as mexray describes.


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Bent A-frame

It appears from your photo, that the LPG cover is leaning rearward, at least when it's compared to station "zero".

That suggests, that the A-frame is bent the same way.

However, I cannot tell if the LPB bottle cover, is mounted correctly.

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When I adjusted the level on our trailer, I put a frying pan on the stove, and put a small level in the pan, and adjusted to that. That way when you fry eggs, they stay in the center of the pan. I just hate it when the stove isn't level.

That should be close enough for anything else that needs to be level or nearly level.

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Curious questions for future use (if an upgrade comes) based on reading various threads:

Are the various bowing/bending and skin cracking issues mostly attributed to 2005+ 25' and up trailers? Although I've read that the 23's have a less hefty frame, I see fewer posted issues there (disregarding the issue-prone 22' trailers.)

I'm also wondering why there are few complaints about this with the 80s and 90s 25'+ trailers, even though they often had a front panoramic window. Is there a structural quality difference (I know there is a frame width difference up to mid-90s compared to a modern 25'+), or is it a matter of reporting (a lot more folks own newer trailers and post about problems)?

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look at the reliable tables showing gvwr and tongue weights...

look at the reliable tables showing these values OVER the last 30 years.

~27 years ago units started exceeding 6000 lbs AND 600 lbs at the tongue.

when LONGER units moved significantly past 6000/600 the front end stuff started.

in addition the front HOLD down plates began to disappear...

and other key elements of how shells were attached to frames changed.

it is a progressive issue over the last 25 years, or from ~'85 onward.

while weights continued to climb, rivet and bolts were reduced.

wide bods (and outriggers) may have added to this mess.

and so on.
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a modern 23 should NOT often have these problems...

27 and up, well that's where the issues develop...

moving the entry door back might help, as might fewer windows and storage HOLES with doors.

but that's ignoring the primary problem while applying bondo and pushing units out.

the A frames can be seen to flex/bow on most longer newer units, even withOUT w/d tension.

these are fat cats with wimpy bones.
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most will NOT be aware of these issues without DIGGING into the structure...

here's an example of this (see post #29 below)

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...tml#post736978

and the SOLUTION fabricated diy (see post #53)

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...tml#post740191

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What brand and rating hitch bars are you using, and what is the exact description of your tow vehicle.

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The hitch is a Propride with 1,000 rating for the bars.

The two vehicle is a 2011 F350 crew and long bed.
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actually it's one of these...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ide-57179.html

towed with one of these

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...-on-62347.html

after giving up on these 2 ideas...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...ter-63041.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...-it-61232.html

SO it's an appropriately sized tv AND a top quality hitch...

the problem IS the a/s frame and overall trailer weight.

the bubble level IS adjustable as mexray describes.


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The hitch is a Propride with 1,000 rating for the bars.

The two vehicle is a 2011 F350 crew and long bed.
There's your answer.

Your tow vehicle suspension, has very little give.

Couple that with the 1000 pound hitch, and your Airstream gets a very rough ride.

That, in itself, can cause the A-frame to bend due to severe vibration when your rig hits a bump.

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