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Old 09-22-2010, 04:47 PM   #85
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...one thing we can agree on (i think) is that there are a large amount of conditions that can be encountered and not completely solved with one setup...
this of course is clearly true,

the problem/challenge HERE is...

that ONE OWNER INDUCED cause is typically identified,

the so called OVERh' thing.

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...from what i've seen in my limited experience, is that airstreams appear to flex more than trailers with bigger frames...
this is also completely true and has been for decades.

many many folks have been MISLEAD that rear end flex/separation was caused by a bicycle rack...

when the company position (by way of offering remedies) IS that the frame was UNDER strength'd.

this is clear now about 70s units when viewed historically, practically, currently and mechanically.

a/s made CHANGES to the designs (like tank placement) to reduce this problem.

AND not long after made changes to the FRONT which are now(and have been) causing problems...

they did NOT issue warning stickers regarding bike racks,

which is surprising given how many warning stickers they HAVE issued...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f161...bel-18080.html

and wally carried a MOTOscooter on the tail of his stream, around da world.

((of course there are warnings about OBSURD loads over the rear bumper))

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...as for snapping a lower rated weight distribution bar, i myself would rather snap a bar than twist a truck or trailer encountering a steep angle such as a driveway.
viewed simply as the COST of a broken w/d bar yes...

in my case 1000 lb bars were originally used in conjunction with a ~ 1000 lb tongue.

and good balance/front axle loading and normal ride qualities were achieved.

even andy posted the setup was "perfect"...

only to later recommend LIGHTER bars and removing leaf springs from that "perfect" setup.

fortunately that 'expert advice' was ignored.
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eventually the tongue weight climbed a tiny bit AND the rear leaf springs fatigued a bit...

(most steams HERE do not accumulate 20,000 miles a year of use)

the result was NO LONGER being able to REload the steering axle.

LOOSE STEERING is a much greater issue than the risk of snapping a bar in a drive way.

REMOVING leafs and going to even lesser bars would have made the 57 foot rig a DANGEROUS thing.

the solution of course was to SOLVE the problems.

1. go to HIGHER RATED w/d bars (1400)
2. ADD a leaf to the spring stack
3. continue using scale data to adjust the rigging properly.

and ignore all "make it ride soft" advice.

these actions COMPLETELY corrected the weight distribution and handling and actually IMPROVED the a/s ride...

the changes were also entirely supported by the hitch maker and the a/s corporate brains who looked at the problem.
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once again NO HITCH/receiver/vehicle OR trailer maker suggests 'go soft'...

it's all a plot but it's a plot i am willing to be part of...

follow the specs, weigh things, use materials RATED beyond the known needs...

and include ones OWN personal/empirical journey...

do NOT rely on one shurb of sage for seasoning...

even if it is salvia officinalis

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Old 09-22-2010, 05:02 PM   #86
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Hi, I brought this up once before and here are my pictures showing my trailer leveled by measuring the rear frame near the bumper and matching that measurement at the frame as close to the body as possible. Then a third measurement close to the tongue and it was about 1/2" higher.
I would like to read some comments about the pictures Bob posted in post # 64. For the frame to appear to be straight from front to back and then deflect up 1/2 inch in a couple feet seems like bent to me.

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Old 09-22-2010, 05:18 PM   #88
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I would like to read some comments about the pictures Bob posted in post # 64. For the frame to appear to be straight from front to back and then deflect up 1/2 inch in a couple feet seems like bent to me...
assuming the ground is billiard table flat and there is NO operator/measuring errors...

these frames FLEX, it's a continual thing and in/on all axis.

should he to move the front trailer supports BACK onto the main frame rails...

the tongue measurement might change (less flex)

were he to move the front support FORWARD MORE (in front of the JACK to the coupler)...

MORE frame-rail movement/FLEX can be measured.

i have done this and seen it done on other rigs...

frames and the shells which make a stream a stream...

flex/rotate/contract/expand and other wise move around.

it would be NICE to believe that a/s engineers for this and allows tolerances while still controlling the critical zones...

but front end separations and CRACKS happening NOW (like the 1000s of rear end separations from the 70s) suggest...

they have real issues (and so do those of us to actually OWN a stream)

this isn't mindlessly blaming the manufacturer,

but they DO assemble these things and spec/accept the materials and construction practices currently used...

while spending so MUCH energy on labeling, color schemes and haloing the brand/history/image.

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