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Old 08-19-2014, 10:13 PM   #1
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Bullseye Leveling system

Re: Bullseye Leveling system
Has any one installed or have seen one used on an Airstream?
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Old 08-20-2014, 06:30 AM   #2
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Do u have a link describing?
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What I see after a search is a system that is frame mounted in a vertical position. You would have to cut into the bellpan to mount this system.
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This works perfectly
Camco RV Acculevel level - $17.99
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Don't know about the Bullseye, but my dealer (CanAm) is installing the LevelTronic system on ours. As it was explained to me, a full 4 point auto levelling system is not advised on AS's (or any travel trailer for that matter) but they are installing a 2 point right behind the axles to facilitiate side to side levelling.....no need to roll one side (or the other) onto a set of boards/blocks.

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Old 08-20-2014, 08:12 AM   #6
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Do u have a link describing?
GOOGLE is your friend:

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Old 08-20-2014, 09:40 AM   #7
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I would have edited my post above but it seems I have lost that function....

Here is a quick video of the LevelTronic:

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That little electric motor was working awful hard to lift the trailer. I would be concerned about reliability and the safety of actually lifting the trailer using the frame to level.
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That little electric motor was working awful hard to lift the trailer. I would be concerned about reliability and the safety of actually lifting the trailer using the frame to level.


They are designed to lift much more than a side of an AS. The dealer has been using them for sometime without issue....I trust CanAM.



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Old 08-25-2014, 10:25 AM   #10
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cory_can,

The LevelTronic looks rather interesting to me. Since you have it, I'd like to ask a couple questions if you don't mind.
With it leveled, have you noticed it feeling any more or less stable than when it is simply resting on the wheels?
Again, with it leveled, have you noticed any difficulties with closing the door? I know, depending on how out of level the site itself is (mainly front to back), my door sometimes doesn't really want to close. So I'm curious if, since it looks like the overall pivot point might now be in front of the wheels, if you've noticed any difficulties.

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Kyle, I don't have my trailer yet which will have this system installed. I'm suppose to be picking it up late September. Rawn77 does (I chose the system on his advice) and you can probably contact him to get his first hand experience.
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So, I've had this system for little more than a year.
It has been one of the best toys/tools (take your pic) that I've installed.
I'm so happy with it that I demanded that it be installed on my replacement Classic that I ordered.

So let me try to answer some questions asked or not asked.

- It is much more stable than any system which you've ever used (unless any of you have removed your AS's wheels and converted it to well you get the gest). Why you ask is it more stable? What do you use to stabilize a camera? A tripod of course..... can't teeter totter a tripod. And there's more. Really can there really be more? ...glad you asked. You are raising the RV high enough so that you've released the majority of weight from the suspension, which in actuality has now turned your beloved Airstream into a tripod; the two jacks behind the rear axles as you've seen in an earlier post and the tongue jack. You can actually raise it high enough to change the tires....awesome!!! It is super stable, like walking in your house stable.

- There is a method for proper deployment. (Remember, the up/down switches and a level are installed in the AS next to the entrance door)

1. Lower the tongue jack all the way down so that the rear of the AS is up in the air, saluting all the people behind you using orange lynx levellers This way, in case the ground is uneven, there will be ample space for the jacks to pivot down (read be vertical) before they start to extend (raise) the AS.

2. Raise one side at a time, enough so that you feel the trailer being raised a bit.

3. Go back to the tongue jack and raise it so it's level to your eyes, don't have to be precise yet.

4. Now, level the trailer, side to side while looking at the inside level. Sometime, I'll raise it an extra inch or so to release more weight from the suspension.

5. Go back to the tongue jack and finish leveling the AS perfectly back to front.

6. You're done!!!!

Note to all: Before raising (when you're looking to leave) the rear jacks, always lower the tongue jack fully so as to comply with number 1.
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Interesting.....

Thank you Rawn77. I'm thinking I just may have to look into this.
We've got backing down just fine, but losing the orange legos could do wonders for marital relations.
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[QUOTE=Rawn77;1501280]So, I've had this system for little more than a year.
It has been one of the best toys/tools (take your pic) that I've installed.
I'm so happy with it that I demanded that it be installed on my replacement Classic that I ordered.

If you don't mind, how much does a system like this cost installed?
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Old 09-25-2014, 09:06 PM   #15
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If you don't mind, how much does a system like this cost installed?

mine was ~3K CAD installed.
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I love this idea, thanks for sharing. The Leveltronic website has better pictures / videos and a nice remote. Bulllseye may be just as good, but I don't see any pictures / videos. On the other hand, there are several RV places in my area that handle Bullseye products (though none are Airstream dealers) but I can't find evidence of Leveltronics dealers anywhere in the US. I guess I could buy a two-jack Leveltronics system and have a good RV technician install them for me.

Anyhow, a few more questions, hope you don't mind:

Rawn77 and Cory_Can, did you go with Leveltronics or Bullseye?

Was it necessary to open the belly pan to mount the jacks and wiring?

Does your front power jack seem happy to participate in lifting / levelling the trailer if you take the wheels off the ground?

Sounds like you don't push a "level my trailer now" button, rather you adjust each of the three jacks (including the tongue jack) independently until you have the trailer leveled. Still really easy but it's an eyeball process, right?

Do you notice any torquing of the frame (e.g. doors that don't quite close after leveling)? I keep reading about the mystique of properly jacking up an Airstream without bending something...
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I guess I have the Leveltronic; I just saw the system at my dealer and knew I had to have it.
I have no clue about the installation, sorry.
Front power jack lifts the trailer no problem.
No eyeball process, there are levels. See photos.
I notice no torquing of the frame.

One of the great uses of the system is that I can easily tilt the trailer road side when emptying the tanks.
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I guess I have the Leveltronic; I just saw the system at my dealer and knew I had to have it.
I have no clue about the installation, sorry.
Front power jack lifts the trailer no problem.
No eyeball process, there are levels. See photos.
I notice no torquing of the frame.

One of the great uses of the system is that I can easily tilt the trailer road side when emptying the tanks.

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Thanks again, sounds really great. Now I just need to find a dealer.
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:53 AM   #20
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Bullseye Leveling system

"Silvery moon", saw your PM and I wasn't ignoring you....Ron, just beat me to it and he has more experience than I

Ditto what he said

On a single axle trailer it wouldn't be nearly as useful because leveling can be done with 1-2 blocks etc but with a dual axle this makes it incredibly easy. No more backing into a site and then having to adjust the level of your fortress of blocks a few times (and never getting it quite correct.). Drop it where you want it the first time and click a few buttons and you're done. It's very solid on the two rear levelers and tongue jack but I still put down the front manual stabilizers (with a drill) ...maybe because my door is in the front I prefer the feeling of the extra points of contact in addition to the tongue jack.
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