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01-16-2013, 12:25 PM
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TwinPower
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Beavercreek
, Ohio
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 22
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ReSealing
Hi folks,
I have another thread out here that I just created a few days ago about the AS Factory Service Center, and this kind of ties to that, but really a standalone topic.
During their inspection, they noted that the entire roof of our 2007 Airstream (we just bought this fall) needed resealed, to the tune of nearly $600. I really have no problem paying this if it is truly needed, but honestly, we are not sure that it is? The Airstream has been in heavy rain, and no leaks from the ceiling that we have noticed, although I do realize that there can be leaks in the roof that come into the unit in other places. We do have a leak in the panoramic window that we are getting fixed. I'm just curious if on a 5 (i guess now 6) year old trailer, removing all existing and replacing with new sealant sounds reasonable? We honestly did not get up on anything to inspect the roof when we bought the unit, and I'm not sure if it was kept inside or outside its entire 5 year old life, but just curious if anyone has experience with this?
Thanks in advance!
Leah
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01-16-2013, 12:56 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Currently Looking...
Jupiter
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,061
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Its just part of a process, seasonal upkeep battling normal aging for something now exposed to 2500~ days of weathering.
From the profile photo we can't tell if the roof is 'painted' or bare metal.
Being very deliberate with your movements on the roof is essential. A slow survey of vents, A/C cover, antenna lines and the like will highlight where to invest your efforts. Having a digital camera on hand to capture topical images is worth the hassles...
Lean a ladder against the door top drip guard and migrate up from the ladder to the roof - keep your weight on the rivet lines where the ribs are... and be satisfied to do one thing well, a section or an item all at one time.
EDIT: its hazardous to get on the roof. There's been a few of us that tried to gracefully fall off with worrisome results. Just saying if it's not 'you' to be a roof monkey then find another way
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01-16-2013, 03:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Spokane
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,858
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To answer your question, yes it could very well be. I have a 2006 unit purchased used in 2009. The PO basically parked it outside of his house and used it very little. That was the good news. He left it plugged in and did almost no maintenance on it which was the bad news. It was parked outside in southern Idaho where it gets very hot in the summer and very cold in the winter.
By 2010 a lot of the caulking around the windows and some on the roof needed to be replaced. The Airstream dealer notified me of that after doing some minor repair and caulking around the back panorama and charged me very little. The next year I spotted a leak in the front panorama and got up and resealed most of the front. It took time but it stopped the leak.
So, depending on where it has been parked and how much attention it gets, the caulking could be due for some replacement. I removed as much as I could, I taped both sides of the seam and then I filled it with Sikaflex (I think that was the right name). The seams I did all look good and they are holding. I have more to do but will go a section at a time.
Good luck.
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01-16-2013, 07:13 PM
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TwinPower
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Beavercreek
, Ohio
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aftermath
To answer your question, yes it could very well be. I have a 2006 unit purchased used in 2009. The PO basically parked it outside of his house and used it very little. That was the good news. He left it plugged in and did almost no maintenance on it which was the bad news. It was parked outside in southern Idaho where it gets very hot in the summer and very cold in the winter.
By 2010 a lot of the caulking around the windows and some on the roof needed to be replaced. The Airstream dealer notified me of that after doing some minor repair and caulking around the back panorama and charged me very little. The next year I spotted a leak in the front panorama and got up and resealed most of the front. It took time but it stopped the leak.
So, depending on where it has been parked and how much attention it gets, the caulking could be due for some replacement. I removed as much as I could, I taped both sides of the seam and then I filled it with Sikaflex (I think that was the right name). The seams I did all look good and they are holding. I have more to do but will go a section at a time.
Good luck.
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I really appreciate your response.....this is the kind of feedback I am hoping to gain from the forum! Making spending time out here worthwhile! Thank you!!
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01-16-2013, 10:33 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Currently Looking...
Jupiter
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,061
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You hesitate to answer if the roof was/is painted.
Sorry if my answer did not fit your preconceived ideas you wanted to hear. That kind of feedback makes spending time here worthless!
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The days are short and the night is long and the stars go tumbling by.. . ~Airstream~
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01-16-2013, 10:43 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
Fresno
, California
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 434
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I am currently resealing our Sovereign. I will hopefully be done on Sunday. I wish I had paid someone to do it. It is a rotten job. Messy and tedious even though it's a low-skill level job.
We are using a 3M product called 540 polyureathane sealant. From my research, it doesn't degrade as quickly as some older products. I pray we get 5-6 years out of it since it is parked outside.
We are using the gray or aluminum color which, if I had to do it again (Mr. Mod said we are NOT doing it again) I would probably use the clear sealant. It's not supposed to degrade and turn yellow.
However, when removing the remaining old sealant, I could see some etching in the aluminum where someone had probably used silicone at some time. So at least the gray sealant covers up the etching.
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Cara, John & Johnny
Jet, Our silver stow-a-way
1977 31' Sovereign "The Mod Pod"
2006 Ford F-250 Super Duty
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01-16-2013, 11:45 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,376
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Hi, at or about the same age as your trailer, mine got a leak from the front roof vent. While checking out everything on the roof, I noticed the sealer cracking in places. It may not leak at first, but the longer the sealer sits cracked, it will eventually leak.
This is what it looked like after some re-sealing was done on the front vent. This vent's sealer was cracked and some of the plastic vent frame was cracked too. [missing corners, were also broken off] The black tank vent was warped and the sealer was cracked all the way around it. [I bought a new vent] If you look at my radio antenna [not re-sealed yet in this picture] you can see cracks in the sealer.
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"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
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01-17-2013, 08:48 AM
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TwinPower
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Beavercreek
, Ohio
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 22
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No insults intended :) Hope from your end as well!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wabbiteer
You hesitate to answer if the roof was/is painted.
Sorry if my answer did not fit your preconceived ideas you wanted to hear. That kind of feedback makes spending time here worthless!
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The roof is NOT painted.....do they paint roofs on the newer airstreams? If so, what is the purpose of that? Do you need to re-seal less often? Or not at all??
I didn't acknowlege your response because it seemed to be explaining how to re-seal, and that wasn't my question. I plan on having the service center do the job, so my question was more directed to "if" anyone had a trailer my age, and had to re-seal an entire roof, and if that sounded possible. I am a new Airstream owner, it didn't sound likely to me, and re-sealing a roof is not a task we want to tackle this early in the game.
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01-17-2013, 09:43 AM
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Moderator
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leahrumbarge
The roof is NOT painted.....do they paint roofs on the newer airstreams? If so, what is the purpose of that? Do you need to re-seal less often? Or not at all??
I didn't acknowlege your response because it seemed to be explaining how to re-seal, and that wasn't my question. I plan on having the service center do the job, so my question was more directed to "if" anyone had a trailer my age, and had to re-seal an entire roof, and if that sounded possible. I am a new Airstream owner, it didn't sound likely to me, and re-sealing a roof is not a task we want to tackle this early in the game.
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I think the main benefit of the painted roofs is better performance in hot, sunny weather. The white paint is an RV product that provides some degree of insulation as well as reflecting more solar energy away from the roof.
There have been discussions about whether polished vs. painted rejects more solar energy, but I think you'd really have to get to a mirror finish for that to be effective.
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Zero Gravitas — 2017 Flying Cloud 26U | WBCCI# 15566
He has all of the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. — Sir Winston Churchill
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01-17-2013, 10:10 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Mercer Island
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 146
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Bob, do the seams in the roof itself hold up better than the various cutouts on the roof? My trailer is about the same age, and is showing no signs of leaking, but I do think I should reseal vents and other openings. But otherwise, I don't want to fix something that isn't broken or needing the maintenance.
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01-17-2013, 11:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 30' Classic
Burlington
, Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,743
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I try to go up on the roof at least a couple of times a year to repair/replace any caulking that looks to be in need.
One of the worst situations I found was the original poor quality plastic skylights - they were secured with vertical screws through the plastic flange on the skylight. The skylight flange had multiple cracks at every screw hole. Possibly the holes were drilled too small or the screws over=torqued at the factory.
Initially I just gooped up the cracks with a clear sealant, but the cracking just got worse and started leaking.
In the end, I replaced the Skylights with a far superior aftermarket polycarbonate design using an aluminum frame, and that seems to have completely eliminated the problem. Cost a bit more than replacing with OEM skylights but I felt it was well worth the money in every respect.
Brian.
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2005 Classic 30'
Hensley Arrow / Centramatics
2008 GMC Sierra SLT 2500HD,4x4,Crew Cab, Diesel, Leer cap.
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01-17-2013, 12:48 PM
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Rivet Master
1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,118
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Airstream does a great job of resealing. Better to get it done before you find out the hard way that it is needed. The top panels on newer Airstreams have a white factory finish instead of Al showing.
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01-17-2013, 01:03 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
Fresno
, California
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 434
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill M.
Airstream does a great job of resealing. Better to get it done before you find out the hard way that it is needed. The top panels on newer Airstreams have a white factory finish instead of Al showing.
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The hard way? Just this morning, I put my finger through the plywood floor. Such is life. Fortunately, it's only about 10 x 14 inch section that I think we can replace. The rest looks clean and solid.
A question for anyone who might know: Has anyone heard of leaking through the wheel wells? We just removed the fridge in our 77 Sov., The fridge rests partially on the wheel well. The section of the floor that is rotted is behind the fridge. The fridge must have leaked at one time and caused this rot. But I'm wondering is some water could have come from or around the wheel well. Any thoughts on this?
The section we have to remove is right up against the wheel well. I'm not sure if this will make the patch job easier or harder.
So far, this is the only floor rot we have found in our 35 year old plywood.
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Cara, John & Johnny
Jet, Our silver stow-a-way
1977 31' Sovereign "The Mod Pod"
2006 Ford F-250 Super Duty
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01-17-2013, 02:53 PM
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"Tinbad ... the Trailer"
1971 25' Tradewind
1965 26' Overlander
Ferndale
, Washington
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 356
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Dual Solution
I had same issue as Wingeezer/Brian. My solution for fixing the leak AND getting on the roof follows.
Del
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01-17-2013, 03:28 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1969 31' Sovereign
middleboro
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 49
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Mrs.Mod, I bet the water is making its way in from the fridge vent. I was outside working on my airstrean in the rain and it is gutted. I saw that it leaks from that spot.
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01-17-2013, 04:26 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
Fresno
, California
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 434
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Quote:
Originally Posted by supergg
Mrs.Mod, I bet the water is making its way in from the fridge vent. I was outside working on my airstrean in the rain and it is gutted. I saw that it leaks from that spot.
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Super,
Everything around the vent looked clean as could be. No sign of water running down from the vent down the wall. The hole is right where the fridge drain ?(half inch hose tube) goes into the floor. So the hose must have been leaking and running right down to that spot on the floor. It just got me thinking about the wheel well.
We had an incident last April where we lost a wheel (yeah, a wheel). When the wheel departed the trailer at 65 MPH on I-5, it banged around in the wheel well and cracked things up a little. So it got me thinking about the possibility of water coming in from there.
One of these days I'm going to stop messing around with old stuff. I'm gonna get me a shiny new AS and enjoy the comforts of a warranty...for a little while at least.
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Cheers,
Cara, John & Johnny
Jet, Our silver stow-a-way
1977 31' Sovereign "The Mod Pod"
2006 Ford F-250 Super Duty
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01-17-2013, 04:52 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1969 31' Sovereign
middleboro
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 49
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New is nice, but it hurts more when something happens to it and you still are making payments.
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01-17-2013, 09:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,376
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Quote:
Originally Posted by btowntincan
Bob, do the seams in the roof itself hold up better than the various cutouts on the roof? My trailer is about the same age, and is showing no signs of leaking, but I do think I should reseal vents and other openings. But otherwise, I don't want to fix something that isn't broken or needing the maintenance.
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Hi, btowntincan; I haven't had any issues with any of my body seams, only where roof vents Etc are. [roof cutouts]
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"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
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04-22-2013, 05:03 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1996 28' Excella
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 322
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Gurney
I had same issue as Wingeezer/Brian. My solution for fixing the leak AND getting on the roof follows.
Del
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Love the crutches/ladder contraption. I have about 3 sets of crutches laying around. I need one of those!
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1996 Airstream Excella 28'
2007 GMC Duramax 4x4 CCSB
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04-22-2013, 05:09 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 29' Ambassador
1974 25' Tradewind
1974 27' Overlander
Indiana
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 677
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Del where did you get the ladder in your pictures? Thanks!
Bob
Indiana, PA
TAC PA-5
WBCCI 4871
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