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Old 06-25-2009, 01:07 PM   #1
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Leak in 2008 27 FB SE near Front Window

We've had what we thought was a small leak near the front window of our 2008 27 FB SE since we bought it new. We would find the mattress a little wet from water that came down along the screen in the front window, while all windows were closed tight. After the rains of last week, about a gallon of water (or more) must have come in, soaking the mattress, and now the leak has my attention!

The first photo (Leak1.jpg) attached shows about where we think the water is getting in. The next two photos are where I'm suspicious water may be leaking in. I'm most suspicious of the caulking in the rain channel: That is about where the water seems to be getting in; and it would prevent the channel from draining. (click on attachments for full size)

Hoping some forum buddy has seen this before - and will make my "garden-hose debugging" easier. Thoughts? Thanks in advance! -Shep
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:51 PM   #2
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Shortly after I brought our 20 foot Safari SE home I discovered a small leak in the front window very similar to yours. Took the trailer back to the Dealer and showed the RV Technician where I thought it was leaking. He not only caulked that spot but re caulked every seam around the window and the rail above. The problem was solved it has never leaked again. My advise take it back to the Dealer.
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If you're within the 2 year warranty you should take it back if that's convenient. It's not like the factory can't understand this will be a recurring issue.

I had what sounds like the same leak from near the end of the middle rockguard rail. The rail top was sealed just fine but the screw at the end had no caulk around it. I pulled my ever-ready tube of Sikaflex 221 out of the freezer, squirted some into an irrigating syringe and injected under and around the screws. Problem solved.
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Old 06-25-2009, 04:10 PM   #4
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[QUOTE=CanoeStream;714091I pulled my ever-ready tube of Sikaflex 221 out of the freezer[/QUOTE]

Is this the secret to keeping and opened tube in useable condition?

I had a leak in the same area. The dealer tried twice, for the third try I went to the factory and they fixed it. In my case, I think it was the rail which they removed and re-installed.
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Old 06-25-2009, 04:34 PM   #5
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If you haven't already, you should post this info here:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f142...ity-31210.html

It will help folks keep a central place for all things 2008. Just a suggestion.
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:00 PM   #6
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One day after a few hours of heavy rain, we found a puddle on the little table next to the bed. Tracing the water up to the window, we looked outside and found a small void in the sealant at the top of the window. A little sealant, solved.

It appears these voids open up over time. I just ordered Sikaflex for the future since trying to find it in a small town in northern Minnesota was impossible.

Bob, the tubes I've seen are for a caulking gun—is that the kind of tube you keep in the freezer? I find a large nail in the end of a tube of caulk usually keeps it in pretty good condition, but if freezing works, I'll do that too.

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Old 06-25-2009, 07:40 PM   #7
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It appears these voids open up over time. I just ordered Sikaflex for the future since trying to find it in a small town in northern Minnesota was impossible.


Gene

Just found this out myself as I took the Safari out of storage....seems that Andy from Inland was right that every season as the unit ages, it becomes more and more important to check and reseal where necessary. Oh well, could be worse right? Does seem odd to me that 2008 units would already need this. I know I don't take mine around the country like some, but it is 5.5 years old.....but a 1 or 2 year old trailer.....seems a bit soon to me, but what do I know.
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Old 06-25-2009, 08:26 PM   #8
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"seems a bit soon to me, but what do I know." It probably has to do with much travel and being outside in the high altitude intense southwest sun instead of in the frozen tundra. We also had leaks on the roof, probably from the skylight where the cover was cracking at all the screws. No washers to distribute pressure and screws tightened down too much. Also, maybe they made them better 5.5 years ago.

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Old 06-25-2009, 08:41 PM   #9
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I had a leak in the same area, resealed the front window and solar guard attach rail. Still had a leak. To make a long story short ---- the leak was at the top corner of the front curbside window. Water was coming in there, running around inside the walls, and dripping from the inside of the front window. Don't trust the obvious.
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....seems that Eric from Outland was right that every season as the unit ages, it becomes more and more important to check and reseal where necessary.
So right there! http://www.airforums.com/forums/f456...his-47043.html

The opening in a normal needle syringe is a bit small for Sikaflex but it will work with a lot of pressure. I can get these without an rX in the vet supply section at my local farm-fleet store. A catheter syringe has a larger opening but isn't the best for careful application in my experience. Right in between is an irrigation syringe; my favorite is a Monoject 412. Cut off enough tip until you have a diameter that suits you.

To save partially used caulk I'll stick a 16d nail in, cover the tip with foil and rubber band it into a couple bread wrappers before putting it in the freezer. I'll let it return to room temperature before unwrapping. That keeps down condensation during use which can accelerate setting. Sikaflex 221 is very nice and skins over to the touch within an hour or two anyway. I get more complaints about birds in the freezer and that makes caulk a no-blamer...
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:05 AM   #11
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Guys,
Thanks so much for the feedback. I'll certainly get in touch with the dealer to ask them what to do - they always ask "can you bring it by"; but it is a 7 hour haul each way. I suspect there may be some Sikaflex in my future. In any event, I'll post my results. Thanks again! -Shep

BTW: I neglected to add that the leak seems to happen when the unit is level to slightly curbside. This would support that it is the penetration in the curb side of the rain channel above the window. (Blue arrow in "Leak2.jpg" above). I'll let you know.
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:38 AM   #12
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Seeing as the rain continues and I haven't had the chance to take any action other than to dry out what had gotten wet and place a few towels ahead of where the water ends up: I used the opportunity to document more precisely how the water is coming in. The photos show a drop leaching onto the screen at the top curbside of the front window, just between the rivet and the screw. I cant find any water above the screen bezel inside - nor is there anything obvious outside. The leak does not seem to change if the front window is open or closed. The leak is first visible at this precise location even if trailer has a slightly different roadside/curbside tilt. Based on this information, is there an obvious place to check next? Thanks in advance! -Shep
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:02 AM   #13
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Leaks....2008. I've said it before.

QC at JC= 20 acres of denial.

Our three season leak.....
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As others have said, do not be lulled into thinking there is only one leak. As with mice, if you see one you KNOW there are at least a few more hidden away. In lieu of a dealer service visit you might be able to negotiate for a tube of Sikaflex and some acryl-R and an applicator for making your own repairs. When the weather clears, we're sitting under the same clouds and remain hopeful that dry weather will return, go over the entire front end and patch any caulk that looks suspect. The windows are certainly the first places to start, but do not ignore the running lights, the vents and the antenna. While you're at it, check out the belly band and lights below the window, just in case.

Ours was a bit older when we found leaks, but once we started looking closely, there were many suspects. Then, just to make sure, we took it to GSM for a pressure test, and sure enough a few more were found.

Wishing you days of sunny weather.
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