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Old 06-07-2004, 08:32 PM   #15
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No vista views on the caravel, just the corning curved windows on the streetside, and the one in the kitchen. The leak is coming in the rear streetside window. I have been finding the floor wet under this window, around the wheelwell, for some time, but had not narrowed it down to find where it was coming from. A couple months ago we cleaned the seams and resealed them with Parbond, and I was hoping that was it. But now I saw water dripping in from the top right corner of this window.

I also occasionally get a mystery puddle on the floor right in front of the bathroom, in the center of the aisle. It is pretty much right under the bathroom light. Too far back to have come in through the vent. But I can't ever find any evidence of water on the ceiling, around the light, or on the doorway. Very odd. But I'm betting that one is the vent leaking. We need to climb up there and clean off the old sealant and re-do it. It looked like too much trouble when we resealed everything else and we were hoping we could avoid it, but it looks like it needs to be done.

No leaks on the curbside that I have seen, but we resealed the awning rail with Parbond just to be safe when we did the seams. How can I tell if I should be sealing with parbond or vulkem? Will I just have to re-do it sooner if I use the wrong one?
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Old 06-07-2004, 08:37 PM   #16
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Have you removed the "sewer" vent pipe covers?

They also are leakers.

The originals are plastic. They are replaced with the polished metal types with new gaskets.

Not much else left.

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Old 06-07-2004, 09:08 PM   #17
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I got the gaskets from you, then discovered that my covers were plastic and the gasket had to be trimmed quite a bit to fit. If these other things don't fix the leaks, or even if they do, I will probably replace those with the metal covers and new gaskets.

Thanks for all the advice!
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Stephanie.

That gasket is not intended to be used with the original plastic covers.

It should only be used with the metal covers. Vulkem is also used from the inner circle of the gasket, through the screening and onto the black pipe.

Anything short of that is asking for a leak.

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Old 06-10-2004, 11:47 PM   #19
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Question Andy- plastic vent covers

I too, just ordered new vent seals and screens from Inland. I wish the service people would have told me that these didn't work with the old plastic vents! Is there a way to properly seal the old plastic vents? (I might have to replace the vents, but I sure wish I would have been told prior.) I would have ordered them along with the seals.

Also, what are the proper uses of the Vulkem and Parbond for sealing?

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Old 06-11-2004, 09:51 AM   #20
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Becky.

Unfortunately, our girls must learn, in time, as we all must. They try, as all of us do, to avoid an in depth discussion, as to all the why's and wherefors.

It becomes very difficult for us to feel fault, just because a customer may choose not to replace something. That is not always the case, but it happens, everyday. I have been doing this for 38 years, and still find those that disagree as to "why" something should be replaced. Some owners have told me that they "will" make the gasket work on the plastic covers. I can only sit back and say, at a later date, "I told you."

We strive to do our best, when answering questions, but, sometimes the questions are never asked, by the owner.

Educating an Airstream owner, as to all the reasons something should be done, is an impossible task. We don't choose what they should replace, they do. Usually, telling someone what can and cannot be done, to their Airstream, becomes a thankless, depressing task, or may also create hard feelings. Therefore, human nature, in short order, takes over, and you soon avoid the exposure.

Of course, when things don't go correctly, it's always our fault. So be it. That happens everyday as well.

The original plastic vent pipe covers have been shot for years. We cannot force someone to replace them if they don't want to.

How can you "properly" seal a shot vent cover? It can't be done, unless you wish to create a Taj Mahal with vulkem. The gaskets for the new style covers are not designed for the plastic covers.

Vulkem is used for large seams. Parbond is used for small seams.

We are sorry that you feel let down.

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Thanks for the tips Andy. Today I put silicone in the Caravel's window hinges and opened and closed them regularly for a couple hours. I also made my hubby climb on top of the trailer and reseal the vent. He also found a seam we had missed last time, and sealed that with parbond.

Then we called your shop to order some bits n' pieces for Bambi and also a new set of vent gaskets and screens for Caravel (working on getting some used metal vent caps for it). The lady on the phone quizzed me about if it was for metal or plastic caps, so the word must have gotten down to them I'll have the Caravel leak-free in no time.
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Thumbs up Andy...NO HARD FEELINGS!!

Andy,

First off I want to say that I wasn't being upset with your staff! Just that I would have ordered the vents at the time I ordered the gaskets, had I known. None of us are perfect. I don't expect any of you to be, either!! If you check with your sales department...I spent a bundle! I just was a bit bummed I didn't order EVERYTHING I needed.

I have quite the project going on, trust me! Lots of things have not been done to my "Roadrunner" and I want to get him in top shape. You've always been helpful on this forum. PLEASE...don't take my comments as being too critical. We all learn from our mistakes. ME included!

Keep up the fine work you do on this forum,with your suggestions!!!

I too, will have to try the silicone trick!!! I have a 68 Overlander...and trust me...nothing has been maintained in 10 years!! Thanks again for all your help on this forum. PLEASE....NO HARD FEELINGS!

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Old 06-15-2004, 08:50 AM   #23
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Stacked windows

I'm still getting upto speed on my terminology. I have a 1966 Safari. Are stacked windows the fixed windows underneath the extendable windows in the dinette area? And if that is what they are, is it obvious where to put the parabond? I just caulked the outside tops of the window frames with Vulkem last night, and want to get them nice and sealed, since the windows have been leaking in the rain.

I will replace the gasket after we get back this weekend.

And...are the operators for the clips that hold windows shut available? One our posts is stripped and it must be opened with a phillips screwdriver.

I have questions about vent covers, but maybe I should start a thread in Exterior renovation.

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It depends which parts you may need for the window latch.

We have the clips, made with Stainless Steel, the barrel nuts and the crank handles.

Usually you can rob a latch from the front or rear window and use it where needed.

Should you do that, then move the outer two front or rear window latches closer together.

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