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Old 07-16-2003, 09:40 PM   #21
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I resealed the two vistaviews on my 74 Overlander last winter using the silver silicone and vacuum hose as the spacer. They are holding up great. The article from Can-Am gave me the courage to tackle the job but I did do one thing different. I took it apart as instructed, tossed the inner plexi, put everything back together, shot it full of silicone FIRST and THEN pushed the hose into the channel, messy but it really squeezed the silicone back into the joint really well. The next one I did I taped off the innerside of the glass, left the edges untaped where the sealant goes, silicone is nasty stuff and this made the cleanup much easier.

I also got brave enough to do my front thermo wing windows in the same fashion.

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Old 06-16-2004, 10:25 AM   #22
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72 vista

Just want to make sure I am clear before I tackle this job.

My windows on my 1972 International appear to be as in picture and described by Pick and Dallas.

It looks like one frame.

Was the only was to get out the inner plexiglass to break or cut with a dremel tool? I can't see any other way on mine.

Anybody else have any input on the 1972 with plexi inside, no snap out ring?

How is the outer glass held in?

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Old 06-16-2004, 10:44 AM   #23
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Steve,

I am pretty sure that yours does have snap ring. Search my photos and my posts regarding the vista views. It should be pretty clear by then. If not, PM me and I'll try to respond. I will be gone Thu-Sat though.

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Old 06-16-2004, 10:55 AM   #24
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Steve,

OOPS! Sorry, had confused years. Yes, your 72 has a single frame. You should be able to get the inner plexi out as you describe. As I understand it, your outer pane is in it own "channel" and will be supported. If it isn't, no biggie as the 73-75 models aren't. I used some 3/4" x 3/4" closed cell foam gasket (very dense stuff and UV stabilized) and placed it between the glass and the frame to hold the window outward. I had also bedded the window in vulkem on the outside of the glass. The vulkem itself would've probably held it, but the gasket ensures it does and gives a nice trimmed appearance.

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Old 06-16-2004, 11:01 AM   #25
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Steve-

My '72 did not have the snap ring. You'll be able to tell easily by looking at the inside window frame. It's difficult to describe, but my window frame was built with the inner plexi window encased in it's own metal frame with it's own gasket. I removed this inner window and gasket completely without affecting the outer pane which was held in it's own gasket and frame. The metal divider between the two panes acted as the outer frame of the inner plexi and the inner frame of the outer glass--if that makes sense. The only changes I've experienced are clear glass (after scraping off the junk, and a little condensation on the inner pane on occasion.

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Old 06-16-2004, 11:31 AM   #26
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Dallas,

So how did you take the inner frame out, how is it held in?

Then what did you put back in?

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Old 06-16-2004, 12:26 PM   #27
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Tripp,

Your vista-views look fantastic. I'm about halfway through the "fix" on mine and just ordered the gasket material from Can-Am. I hear that Can-Am's gasket fits great, but the $ and shipping is kind of steep. Is that the same gasket material you used? If not, where did you find the gasket that fits so nice?

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Old 06-16-2004, 12:42 PM   #28
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Steve-

For my '72, the frame was actually divided into two sections forming an inner and outer "frame" for each pane. There was no gasket to replace. There is an inner gasket which you throw away along with the pieces of the plexi window that you must break out in order to remove (no snap ring!). The outer glass is left alone in it's own section of the frame along with it's own separate gasket. I'll attach a drawing I made to illustrate the frame design on cross section which will hopefully clear up any confusion. The inner section of the frame is an integral part of the entire window frame and cannot be removed. It just sits there empty. Sorry if I made this confusing earlier.

I removed the inner plexi by cutting a slit in the middle and then leveraging with a screwdriver until it split and I could start breaking out small sections one at a time. It will not shatter. It will take considerable force to start the cracking and breaking process. I advise putting down a drop cloth as there will be a lot of flaking pieces of the old window film go everywhere. Also (as an ER doctor!) I advise wearing gloves and safety glasses as a precaution.
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Old 06-16-2004, 12:50 PM   #29
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Dallas,

Thanks for the picture and futher description, it is very clear now, and soon my windows will be. not sure when I will do this but I wanted to make sure I had the correct info before I started.

Thanks everyone for the info.

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Cool, Steve!!!

Here's another picture of the process taken after the plexi was removed and as the gasket is being taken out. I've labeled the pertinent areas. The prior owner had covered these windows with an aluminum sheet afixed to the outside. That's the reason it doesn't yet look like a window! You can still see some of the filmy stuff stuck to the glass. Good luck!
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Craig,

I bought my gasket from either Fastenal or Austin Hardware, I can't remember which. You should also be able to find it at a marine supplier as well. Be sure to use the dense closed cell stuff so that it won't absorb condensation and is firm enough to hold the outer glass against the frame (if you have a 73 + model).

Thanks for the comments about the Vista Views. I think it was the fix that had the most impact to the look and feel of the trailer.

Good luck with yours!

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Old 06-16-2004, 06:33 PM   #32
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I was unable to get the gasket from CanAm but I used a clear tubing to close off the space in my window frame. I chose to use Vulkem rather than Silicone for a variety of reasons. So far no leaks but it hasn't been towed anywhere yet. I will be posting pictures shortly of the entire process. BTW mine is a 1975 with the double pain glass.

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Old 06-22-2004, 10:49 AM   #33
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Vista View Surprize

Well,

I finally cut out the inside plexiglass on one of my vista view window and it was exactly as you described Dallas, thanks again for the pictures, what an improvement.

When I cut out the second, the longer one I found same inner Plexi, broke it out, cleaned the glass and found that I still have two more panes, with flaking film and a bit of water in between the panes.

I looks and sound like two 1/16th inch plexy with the film between.

Has anyone else run into this?

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Steve-

Congratulations on the project! I've not heard of the two panes together. Maybe someone else can offer advice on that. Good luck!
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Old 07-24-2004, 12:11 AM   #35
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This is a great thread....Very informative

I have this problem on mine too. I will be getting to this one in a few weeks as I will be working the frame seperation thing on my rear bath first.

I will also post my project photos related to this thread as soon as I start the project.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:48 AM   #36
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77 Excella windows

Just did all three vistas, three knee height small windows and the door window on my 77 Excella 500 tonight. All had a glass inner panes and a grey putty-like material between the inner and outer panes. The lowers were tempered glass so they broke out into little crumbs, the vistas and the door inners were plate glass so broke into shards. Be careful of removing the shards, they will scratch the remaining outer pane if dragged across it as I found out on the door.

A big help was to score the inner panes with a glass cutter wheel before hitting it. I used a large cold chisel, about 14" long with the handle, and repeatedly tapped (hit) the inner panes in the same spot over and over until they shattered.

The whole thing, seven windows, took three hours. I'll get some tubing tomorrow to fill in the space left by the removal of the inner pane and the grey putty. I am leaving the grey plastic moulding that was inside of the inner pane.

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Wait, so you broke the inner plexi? This sounds much better to me than all the stuff I would need to do to remove the whole thing. I have a 73 sovereign that needs window restoration.
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