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Old 10-08-2012, 11:52 AM   #29
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Red, Got my Polyshim tape in from Canada and decided to start resealing my vistaviews this past weekend. Ran into some problems getting the glass out of the frame. The plexiglass came out a little hard but it was a bit flexible and didn't give too much trouble. The glass, being rigid was real difficult to get out of the frame and over the plastic window shade track/trim. It took alot of coaxing and the whole time I was worrying about breaking the glass. Because it was so difficult to remove from the frame, I am really concerned about getting it back in without messing up the new bed of polyshim. It looks like you did yours without removing the inner skin and sliding window shade track, which is what I was trying to do also. Am I missing some little trick that will make removing and reinstalling the glass easier or did you also have problems getting the glass in and out of the frame due to the tightness of the plastic slide/window trim? Any advice is appreciated. Thank.
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dlarrow, I had a tight fit with a couple of the windows, and no issue at all with the others. I slid mine back in at an angle, bottom first and set the bottom against the polyshim and very carefully worked the top in past the trim piece, then pressed the whole glass against the polyshim. And yes, I did mess up the polyshim once. If you got two rolls of the 1/16th, you've got plenty to make a mistake or two, and still have some left over. I've done four windows with about 1/3 of a roll left... Hope that helps.
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Thanks Red!
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:51 PM   #32
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... Hope that helps.
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Greetings Red!

Yes, your synopsis definitely helps - helps loads. So many threads, so many unanswered questions. Your tips fill the gap supremely!

I successfully removed my metal retaining ring, plexi and glass from my 18" and my 40" vista view. But I had a terrible time getting the metal rings out - they kind of hung-up at the center at both the fwd/aft side. And the 40" VV had a split ring (i.e. two halves). The metal rings are even bent a bit, though I believe I can straighten them out. I was thinking that there is NO WAY they'll go back. But what do you think? Was it really hard to coax them back in place?

I saved the two black shims from the smaller window but had to cut the ones in the longer. Did you end up reusing those or did you discard them?

And yup, I have it all pulled apart and the trailer exposed without first ordering the Tremco Polyshim. D'oh.

Thanks again for posting these details!

Oh, and my plastic pans are a mess - broken to bits. So my shades don't slide up/down without a lot of effort. I'm working on a repair and will post that for others (if it works).

Laura - who's marching out to tape up the open windows. Otherwise it will certainly rain... Never knew how much I'd miss the rain since I left FL - but the dryness of NV is making me eager for a thunderstorm. No, I didn't say that out loud.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:48 PM   #33
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Hey funkill!

I don't have any 18" VV's on the Sov. My retaining rings are one piece, and also appear bent on each end. I honestly thought that was from a PO trying to "snug up" a leaky window. I din't straighten them though. Left them the way they were. I used a wooden hammer handle to help the rings back into place. They were a pretty tight fit. I also used a large flat blade screwdriver as a sort of punch to tap with the hammer and help seat the rings all the way back in the ends of the frame. I started on one open end of the ring and worked my way around to the other, seating the ring in place as I went. I discarded the black shims, and hope this doesn't turn out to be a mistake... I just couldn't see the real need for them. Again, I wasn't sure they were original. Someone has done a LOT of odd things to this trailer, including incredible amounts of silicone gooped on every seam imaginable.

Good to see somebody else just tear it apart, polyshim be damned! My duct tape window was surprisingly water tight, although rather hard to see through.

Post up picks of your shade fix. I haven't investigated mine yet. There are just too many large things to repair yet.
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:21 AM   #34
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I think the black shim things are good to rest the window on when you put it back in to help center the window vertically.

I had my stacks/vista views removed, "murdered out" (for you old folks that means blacked out with limousine tint), and new plexiglass. What I was missing was the pre-shimmed butyl tape. The supplier that RedMan gave and the thicknesses to use were the missing pieces to this puzzle. Put them in this past saturday.. Loving it..

Theory on the fore and aft indentations on the vista view frames.. I believe these are there to push the ends of the plexiglass in further against the glass to seat them.. because glass=curved, whereas plexiglass=flat.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:31 AM   #35
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Red, How long would you say it took you to do all of the windows? Just want to be sure I can get it done once I start.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:16 PM   #36
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Question; other than embibing one's favorite adult beverages and the pride in having done it, is there any benefit to cleaning and keeping the inside panes vs. just going with those on the outside?

(Hoping to open a can o worms here to get the full effect of both sides, but thinking this is not near the hot topic that trailer hitches is.)
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:42 PM   #37
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One reason to have both panes is that the window frames are set for a certain width. The width of the two panes plus the width of the shimmed tape fits the necessary width. With one pane you'll need to find something else to fill in the necessary width.
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One reason to have both panes is that the window frames are set for a certain width. The width of the two panes plus the width of the shimmed tape fits the necessary width. With one pane you'll need to find something else to fill in the necessary width.
Exactly what he said. Sorry I missed your question, Cheryl, I've been recouping from shoulder surgery (tragic skateboard accident) and didn't catch this until now. I'm not sure how I would shim it without the plexi inner. That's the only reason I put them back in. Would be easier to clean as a single pane. You need a slick surface for the ring to slip back in against also, so you couldn't just use thicker polyshim. Maybe if you routed out the plexi to form a ring shim it would work... All I know is what I've done. The rest is up to ya'll.

As for time, they went faster the more I did. I'm guessing an average of 3 hours each if you take your time and do it right...

Best to you. Post up any tips you find as you do yours...

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Thanks Red. Hope your shoulder is recovering from the tragic accident. Please don't tell me you were holding onto the door of a car while skateboarding???

I am not opposed to putting the whole thing back together. Just wanted to be sure it was worth my time. I'll put it one the list (3 hours at a time

Funkill I'll be interested in your fix for the shades if you come up with one. The plastic isn't holding up well on mine.
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Hmmm.
Saw that the temp reached 45* today, sun's shining, so I thought "what can I order so I can post on that thread about "what did you buy for your Airstream today?" THEN I remembered Red's fix on the vista view windows! So, I found the "allglass" website and bought a couple of 3/16" rolls of polyshim and a roll of 1/16" as well.
I saw from a couple of others that the shipping would be a bear - customs and giving Big Sis her cut - so I had about $45 worth of the polyshim, and found I could get the "Express post" Canada Postal service... $34 and 7-10 days... or I could get "Expedited" service with 3-7 days... for $24 bucks! So, "expedited" it is. I wonder if Canada Post has the same problems as our Postie Boys?
Although I'll not move up the schedule on these - has to be in the 60's at least! Besides, I know that I'll have to get at least a six-pack of Moose Drool or Cold Smoke to get both of my vista's done... that's another of Red's "must haves" prior to beginning this chore! Having the shim before-hand and the brews will pay for themselves in the savings from not having to get duct-tape and plastic to patch the holes while I await the Canada Posties or brown shirts to get the material to me!
Red, I'm hoping this goes as well as it seems it has for you - but even if it doesn't, I want to thank you again for the pic's and the description you've posted above!

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Dave, you provide the Moose Drool, and I'll drive to Canadia and install those things for you... although, after three or four adult beverages, ain't no telling how they might come out.

Good luck on your Vistas. Are the '76 Vista's the same as in the '74? Make sure you have the removeable aluminum shim on the inside of the window... Post up some pictures when you get done. Would like to know if it goes as well for others as it did for me.
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I'm hoping they are the same - the aluminum shim will be the first thing I look for... after buying the beer, of course. I'll need THAT either way.

This is an old outside picture... but you can see the curling remnants of the plastic film that was on the inside, plus it gets condensation under certain conditions... I really hate to see that. Bottom line? It's got to get done.
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