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Old 04-08-2014, 10:17 PM   #141
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...can I use a glass tool cutter to go around edge then tap and it could come off whole? ...
All the 70s glass is tempered, so any attempt to cut it will result in a bazillion small pieces.

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Old 04-09-2014, 12:20 AM   #142
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:10 PM   #143
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Is there any auto glass co. Local that carry that seal or do I need a professional house glass co.

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Old 04-14-2014, 09:59 PM   #144
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That seal? You could be referring to the vinyl U-seal or the butyl elastomeric spacer/seal. The U-seal goes around the double pane unit and seals the glass into the metal frame. The butyl spacer seals the two panes of glass together.

Yes, you can find the vinyl U-seal at pro glass shops. No, the butyl is essentially unobtainium. I got it as a sample from CRL. In order to buy it, the minimum purchase is several cases. I recall that one member last year did finally find it at retail, maybe in Canada.

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Old 04-18-2014, 08:44 PM   #145
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I bought a case of the shimmed butyl. I would be willing to sell half of the case. I don't need the whole case. PM me if anyone is interested.
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Old 06-22-2014, 01:13 PM   #146
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This is an excellent thread! I'm about to take the plunge on my 1978 windows. Are these the correct parts?

3/16" thick x 3/8" wide Shimmed Butyl Tape
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Old 06-22-2014, 10:29 PM   #147
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The gasket is correct.

The butyl is probably the 3/16" you mention, but it's been some time since I looked at the specs.

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The gasket is correct.

The butyl is probably the 3/16" you mention, but it's been some time since I looked at the specs.

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Well, I took the plunge. Tonight I cleaned up my split window, applied the butyl tape, threw in some desiccant and put the inner pane on top. I have the glazing gasket and will hopefully get to that tomorrow night.

Cleaned outer pane


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Desiccant (I used about as many pieces as the original AS setup)


Inner pane and outer pane put together and ready for glazing
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:17 AM   #150
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Old 07-08-2014, 10:07 PM   #151
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The window is back together! I'll rivet and clean tomorrow followed by a fresh weatherstrip install.

Getting to this point was relatively easy with some lubricant. The last 1/8" is definitely the most difficult.



Here she is together! It took a rachet strap, patience and a big rubber mallet.


Huge thanks to Zep for trailblazing on this. If not for his post, I would have probably replaced the window.
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Old 07-14-2014, 08:11 PM   #153
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Hey Zep,

What kind of rivets did you use for reassembly? The heads look pretty small on these. They're obviously 1/8th diameter. Did you buck yours in?

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I'm thinking they were 3/32 rivets. Those square steel connector bars are pretty small in cross section, so be careful not drill them out to 1/8 unless you're sure that's what was there originally.

Also, be careful about estimating rivet shaft diameter based on the head diameter. Modern heads (universal rivets compared to the original brazier head rivets) are smaller in diameter for a given shaft diameter. Aerowood wrote a tretise on this topic a couple years ago.

Yes, I used bucked rivets, but I use a rivet squeezer whenever possible.

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I measured the ID of the hole at around 0.122. I believe that makes it a 1/8 (with some error in my measurement). Is my only option bucking them in?

Sorry for the dumb questions. New to riveting.
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I measured the ID of the hole at around 0.122. I believe that makes it a 1/8 (with some error in my measurement). Is my only option bucking them in?

Sorry for the dumb questions. New to riveting.
Those small head rivets are indeed, 1/8 inch in diameter.

We use them often.

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... Is my only option bucking them in?...
You can use a pop rivet, but it's not recommended.
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From the stress I had to put on it to get the frame closed, I would advise against even considering using pop rivets to put it back together.



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Hi zep I'm new to the airstream world and am so thankful for this thread! I just bought 75 sovereign 31ft I was wondering exactly what size rivets you used to secure the windows back together as well as the rivets you used for the hinge to put that back on the window frame? Thanks again for creating this awesome thread!
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I used aluminum pop rivets back in April 2013. They are still holding together, but they are a little bit ugly looking.

The size of pop rivets that fit are the ones that leave a little hole in their head when the rivet pops. Inside the trailer, rivet pop holes are not a big deal. Nearly all the rivets inside the trailer have a pop hole. Outside the trailer, though, those pop holes let water in. (Why oh why can't water have to follow vampire rules?)

I had to inject some goo to seal the rivet pop holes in my windows. That left my window rivets somewhat ugly looking. "Someday" I will replace my windows' pop rivets, right after I've done all that other stuff I need to do (such as learning how to buck rivets, which is the reason I went with pop rivets).

Don't be like me with something on the "to-do but probably never will do" list when your window project's done. Use buck rivets for reassembly! The first time!!!
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