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Old 11-17-2007, 08:53 AM   #29
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If the vinyl you ordered is the wrong size for my wing windows there is a good chance the butyl is too as the space between the panes may be wider. I don't think the 1/2" stuff will work and the 3/4" stuff is probably the correct size. Can you let me know your source? And, as Zep mentioned before, anybody else out there in cyber airstream land know where I can score a single roll? Otherwise me and ZEP may have some to offer for a while.
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Old 11-19-2007, 07:42 PM   #30
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Urethane?

Wow, it's so exciting to see this being done with pictures. I'm planning on following these procedures when I start on my '77 next month. Has anyone tried automotive urethane adhesives for this process? I'm going to give it a shot when I start. I think (am hoping) with Zep's suggestion of cutting small plastic rods as spacers (I think a shirt hanger would be about the right diameter to cut lengths from) the adhesive will provide a strong, thermally stable alternative to butyl. Yes, I'll post the results.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:46 AM   #31
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finally got the sucker apart

It was tough but with several hours of jiggling, pulling and gentle prying I got the 75 double pane glass wing indow sandwich out of the frame in one piece. Note the deteriorated butyl. The dimensions I found making up the window assembly are: aluminum frame channel 3/4", window sandwich 5/8" (2 glass panes 3/16" each + 3/16" space between panes) inside width of U channel 5/8. Note an exact measurement is difficult because of the flexiblility of the U channel and the rounded window edges but my measurements should be close. Actual measurements may be 1/32 to 1/16 larger
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:56 PM   #32
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Are the inner and outer panes both the same size glass or is there a slight dimensional difference?
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:31 PM   #33
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75 wing glass thickness

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Are the inner and outer panes both the same size glass or is there a slight dimensional difference?
As far as I can tell with a ruler they are both 3/16" If I mic them there may be some difference but for practical purposes are purdy durn close. I don't see any reason AS would make them this close in size and not identical.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:35 PM   #34
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Marshall, that 1975 design is a lot different than the 1973 design. Dang. I was hoping you and Zep would find a few short cuts for me! I still have the roadside wing window to tackle.

Zep, is your window a '75?

Work looks great guys, keep it up!

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Old 11-23-2007, 04:44 PM   #35
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...Zep, is your window a '75?...

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The double pane 30" window that I broke is a '75. I've got some spare 30" windows--'72 single pane and '75 double pane. It turns out the single pane windows hang nicely in the double pane frames--they don't actuate, but you can lock them down. I haven't tried the reverse, but the next day it gets above freezing here, I'm going to see if I can put some double pane windows in the Caravel. The frame depth is deeper, so I think the rod actuator might be a problem.

I'm a little curious why the wing window design changed so much, at least according to your remark. My Sovereign wing windows leak badly and I'd like to replace them with '75 models (after they are refurbished). I also need to look at the Safari wings--I bet they leak like a sieve.

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Old 11-23-2007, 05:03 PM   #36
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I'm a little curious why the wing window design changed so much...
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Probaby because the '73 design was even worse that the '75 design! If you look back at the Pics in my Full Monte thread, you'll notice that the frames are basically "negatives" of the '75.

In the '73, the main window frame is buck riveted to the shell. The difference is that the inner glass sits in this part of the frame. The outer glass sits in its own frame that is then screwd to the main frame from the inside of the camper. Does that make sense?

Those damn screws (natually, NOT stainless) are what gave me so much grief. They were rusted and in at least one case, improperly installed (that's what caused me to accidnetally break one of the windows).

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Old 11-23-2007, 06:21 PM   #37
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I had a 73 but no problems with the windows except hanging butyl uglies I did not fix. But worser is, make that past tense, worser was. the wing windows in the 71. Single pane tempered glass. When they blew out I found out the hard way they were 1/16" (that's not a typo folks 1/16") thick. I hope the other windows in my 71 are a little thickerer.
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I have a street side wing that is plastic on my 71 GT and I'm hoping that I can use one pane from a 75 double pane.
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I have a street side wing that is plastic on my 71 GT and I'm hoping that I can use one pane from a 75 double pane.
What you will find is (unless you or somebody else has a better idea and asuming the windows are the same on your 71 and my 75 parts) the 75 window pane 3/16" will just fit into the 71 frame channel 1/4" without room for a gasket. I considered this situation and the obvious solution seemed to be to float the window pane in a bead of caulk in lieu of a U gasket. But maybe someone has a better idea (I'd like to know about it )
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If I have to float the window in, it does not present any problem to me. I just want the lexan gone.
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Probably doesn't mean anything, but...

That expensive replacement window that Airstream sells fits several year models from the early '70's. Seems to me that the design was a single pane window mounted in a full frame that has to be bucked in.

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I am what some people call thrifty or as ZEP says a "scrounger" and I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on a new 450.00 dollar wing window when I need so much other "stuff" all ready. As far as shooting it back in with "buck" or solid shank (as known in my industry), that's the easy part.
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