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Old 12-31-2012, 08:35 PM   #15
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Thank you Andy. I would guess that pop rivets or buck the window will need to be taken off. Sounds like a chore to get them back in. I guess after fixing the rear end separation, replacing 4" of rotten floor, and replacing a bunch of frame and outriggers I can handle taking the windows off and replace the busted buck rivets..
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:24 PM   #16
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Thank you Andy. I would guess that pop rivets or buck the window will need to be taken off. Sounds like a chore to get them back in. I guess after fixing the rear end separation, replacing 4" of rotten floor, and replacing a bunch of frame and outriggers I can handle taking the windows off and replace the busted buck rivets..
The small head 1/8 buck rivets used for the window hinges are available from aircraft supply companies.

The window hinge rivets, rarely fail unless sujected to abuse.

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Old 12-31-2012, 10:50 PM   #17
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Yep it was towed around for a unknown number of years on bad axles. More I look around more sheared rivets I find.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:15 AM   #18
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I used small 1/8 stainless pop rivets for the hinge, reversed. This works well and is pretty strong compared to the aluminum buck rivets. It's not as pretty, but is pretty much invisible more than a couple of feet away. The rear window hinge on our Tradewind was pretty tweaked....

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:39 PM   #19
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Sorry for jumping in here...I just managed to replace the rear window in my '70 Ambassador.PO had taped 12 sg feet of plastic over the shattered remains. I discovered that I needed to remove the ZD awning first- it promptly unrolled itself. How many turns to restore the tension? And since Winter has set in with a vengeance up here , I just managed to get the window back in and did not have the weather-time to deal with the support arms.They are currently just tucked inside the glass, unattached. Whats the best way to re-attach the rivet plates to the new frame? Should I attempt to remove the arms from the old plates? Cheers..
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:02 PM   #20
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Sorry for jumping in here...I just managed to replace the rear window in my '70 Ambassador.PO had taped 12 sg feet of plastic over the shattered remains. I discovered that I needed to remove the ZD awning first- it promptly unrolled itself. How many turns to restore the tension? And since Winter has set in with a vengeance up here , I just managed to get the window back in and did not have the weather-time to deal with the support arms.They are currently just tucked inside the glass, unattached. Whats the best way to re-attach the rivet plates to the new frame? Should I attempt to remove the arms from the old plates? Cheers..
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I'd remove the arms from the old plates... I'm surprised the new window didn't come w/ those plates already attached, if I understood you correctly.

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Old 01-18-2013, 05:49 PM   #21
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Thanks Bart. I have drilled out the rivets that held the plates to the old frame, but not sure which is the best way to proceed...do I try to remove the arms from the old plates,and rivet them back on to the new frame, or try to get the knobs off the other end of the arms, which are still stuck thru the screening..it doesn't look like the arms want to come off the old plates easily..
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:11 AM   #22
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Those arms can be a real PIA. There is a small round bodied slightly recessed "C" clip holding the arm to the plate, that is riveted to the window frame. About half of those plates broke off removing the windows, so as I replaced the seals on the windows I have been replacing all the rivets that are attaching the various plates to the window frame. I used a small cutoff wheel to cut the clips. I then replaced them a 1/4" SS clip that I purchased from McMaster-Carr. The knobs have a set screw on the bottom side, remove the set screw and then fight the knobs off, they will come off though. I re-riveted the brackets back onto the window frame with MS20270AD4-4 rivets

I also replaced all of the window "Hold Open Brackets" because all of mine were broke.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:15 PM   #23
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On our 1971 some of the windows had a different method of retaining the arms into the plates. The apparently original ones used a C-ring; the repaired ones have some kind of push nut that I've not needed to remove, so I'm unsure of the internals. The C-ring grooves seemed a bit underwelming (rounded edges, shallow) to me compared to the grooves used for proper C-clips, so while I had the arms off to regasket the windows I drilled the ends for a small stainless cotter pin, which seems a lot more secure to me and could be done without straightening the end of the arm to remachine the groove in the lathe.

Note in the attached image various retaining rings; my original windows have something similar to the ring on the lower right. A proper outside retaining ring like the ones on the top row would be more secure but would require a sharp bottomed groove; the three on the lower left would do nicely as well - these can push on rather than slip over the end.


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Thanks for the quick replies, folks. The arms appear to be attached to the old plates by the push-nut method. I did not see any circlips. But knowing that the knobs on the other end are held there by set screws is a great help. I figured they might have been cast on there somehow..the next issue is the cam lever closures( or whatever they're called) on the new frame.The new ones don't line up so well with the originals . All that being said,I'm just happy to have a window in there for the winter instead of the old plastic. Thankfully the window had only been broken for a couple of weeks before I found the trailer patiently waiting for me to come along and give it a new home.
This is my second AS, having foolishly sold the first one( 1973 25' Overlander) that was almost in perfect condition, which is rare here on the East Coast.
Thanks again for your help...Sean
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I have been searching the threads and I'm sure I've missed it but trying to figure out how to install small lower window in front end of 1970 Sovereign. Believe it or not, we had a bad wind storm and our neighbors large trash can blew into the window and broke it out. We had a piece of glass made for the window but have had the hardest time trying to get it back in place. Took inside frame off but still can't get into place. What's the secret? We are learning as we go so sorry for ridiculous inquiry.
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Are you talking about the small oval window right next to the door?
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We have 1967 Caravel and need to check the back window we have been having some water leakage and we are missing the middle clip on the bottom of the window. We are newbies and have already spent money on other repairs. Could anyone help with step by step instructions. Or maybe where we could find a how to video. Any help is much appreciated.

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We have 1967 Caravel and need to check the back window we have been having some water leakage and we are missing the middle clip on the bottom of the window. We are newbies and have already spent money on other repairs. Could anyone help with step by step instructions. Or maybe where we could find a how to video. Any help is much appreciated.

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Using the new "D" gasket would help.

Also move the outer 2 latches a lttle closer to each other. Forget the bad latch.

Those latches are no longer available, so you must make do with what you have.

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