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Old 05-08-2016, 08:29 AM   #15
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Thanks for this thread, dznf0g! Will attempt with mine this weekend!!

Well, I thought I would. Yesterday was dedicated to converting the generators and this morning it's rainy before heading out for mom's day so I'll have to wait for a sunnier evening some night this week after work. I did get the creeping crack cure on Friday and thanks to dznf0g's description and pics, I'm anxious to give it a go!!
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Old 05-08-2016, 08:32 AM   #16
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As an update, rained yesterday. Zero water in the window frame u channel.
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:11 AM   #17
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Great news. Now you need to drive over and fix my leak

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Old 05-08-2016, 11:51 AM   #18
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Yeah, I gotta retire before I can do that.....and you'd have to stock up on beer.
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Old 05-11-2016, 08:44 PM   #19
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Ugggh, I was out of town on business and it rained 3" at home.....water back in the channel. I can't seem to catch it while it's filling. It has to be a downpour or steady over a day or more.
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Old 05-11-2016, 09:16 PM   #20
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Bummer! Did you put any "cure" in the gasket itself (above the yellow arrow in pic 2) where - at least on mine - it seems to be split in the corner?
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Old 05-12-2016, 06:16 AM   #21
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Bummer! Did you put any "cure" in the gasket itself (above the yellow arrow in pic 2) where - at least on mine - it seems to be split in the corner?
Yes, I did, Steve. It rained another 1.5 inches last night so I ran out this morning to study it a bit before the sun gets on it...in order to try and find water trails...nothing blatantly obvious. Yes, there is some water back in the frame channel.
I noticed several things, I thought I'd run by you all. Although I don't see evidence of water between the glass and the gasket up the sides and at the top, there is some on the lower horizontal gasket surface and up the sides about 4" or so. Compression of the gasket is good down low (by adjustment of the latches....but up high...say top half of the window, there isn't much gasket compression. There is no adjustment up high, as the window glass is attached to the hinge by fixed depth fasteners. What do you all think about installing some spacer material between the glass and the hinge flange, effectively moving the glass inward and further compressing the gasket?

I also noted that the the screws for the glass-half of the latches at the bottom of the glass are very close to the gasket material itself. Could some of that water that is flooding the bottom horizontal gasket be wicking through the holes in the glass there????? I am also going to take a closer look at the gasket corners at the bottom again, as they are cut, tucked and sealed with (I assume) windshield sealer.
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Rich,
I went through this nightmare over the past year. I have the same frameless windows that you have.

Here is what I found:

- The front center window was severely warped.
- I replaced the gasket and readjusted the latches - nope
- Shimmed the gasket with 3M VBH tape - nope
- took the glass out of the upper frame and resealed with professional 3M windshield adhesive/sealant - nope
- recaulked all areas of the window frame - some help
- February 2016 I found the front center window shattered into 10,000 tiny pieces.
- Ordered a new window and have been dry ever since (crossing fingers).
- Be certain the caulking around the corners of the gasket is intake and supple.

The water seemed to be coming in around the upper corners of the window.
Check your window for warping. If it is warped get a new one made at a local glass shop. Since my old window was shattered I had to go through a dealer which was a nightmare - took a month and a half due to UPS breaking the first one.
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Old 05-12-2016, 08:35 AM   #23
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Rich,
I went through this nightmare over the past year. I have the same frameless windows that you have.

Here is what I found:

- The front center window was severely warped.
- I replaced the gasket and readjusted the latches - nope
- Shimmed the gasket with 3M VBH tape - nope
- took the glass out of the upper frame and resealed with professional 3M windshield adhesive/sealant - nope
- recaulked all areas of the window frame - some help
- February 2016 I found the front center window shattered into 10,000 tiny pieces.
- Ordered a new window and have been dry ever since (crossing fingers).
- Be certain the caulking around the corners of the gasket is intake and supple.

The water seemed to be coming in around the upper corners of the window.
Check your window for warping. If it is warped get a new one made at a local glass shop. Since my old window was shattered I had to go through a dealer which was a nightmare - took a month and a half due to UPS breaking the first one.

Here's where I am. I am confident it isn't coming from up high. Everything is bone dry to the touch on the surface of the gasket and the frame flange, except, naturally, at the bottom. My seal is making good contact and compression at the bottom and seems to be pretty uniform all the way across and up the sides. (you can tell by color of contact area). BUT, I noticed that the latch bracket is too low (or the seal is too high) and the seal is actually held off the glass at the very top of the seal. Probably about 75% of the seal width still makes good compression with the glass. Then I noticed the factory tape between the latch bracket and glass has scooted in an upside down "U" fashion due to road motion or whatever on the streetside. The curbside looked fine, but was also holding the seal off the glass at the top edge of the seal.

I decided to remove them and inspect and re-affix with VHB (30# stuff). The curbside was fine, however I found moisture under the streeside one.

I'm not confident this is the answer, as I still can't figure how the water is getting to that top of the seal where it is being held off the glass by the bracket.
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Old 05-12-2016, 06:13 PM   #24
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Panoramic Window (center) water leaks

I'm puzzled too. I'm going to have to get a hose on it starting from the bottom of the window up to the top and see where water's coming in.

Some pics for whatever it's worth...

1) curbside bottom - I've put "the cure" along the entire bottom of the gasket the length of the window and in the corners of the gasket and other areas dznf0g mentioned.

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2) street side bottom - same sitch.

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3) curbside top - I didn't put anything in here because frankly, it looks like it could take the whole bottle! This looks like a good culprit. The "mitre angle" in the corner looks like it doesn't connect and you can see how the gasket on the right top side of the pic almost seems to be coming off the frame.

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4) street side top - roughly the same sitch though the gasket doesn't appear to be pulling away from the frame.

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I've got a feeling mine is a gasket problem....what do others think?
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:11 PM   #25
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Even after JC did the Seal Tech test, found bubbles coming from the gasket/glass interface, and tightened the latches we occasionally get a little water in the rear channel when there is heavy, wind-blown rain onto the direction of the window. Not enough to flood the channel, i have sealed the channel ends, or enough to register any moisture probing the floor below with my moisture detection meter.

I think it's the gasket or window not fitting together well enough, thanks to Rich and Steve for posting your experience and efforts tracking it down.

Will continue to follow this helpful thread.
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:30 PM   #26
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Steve, those areas became suspect to me today. Although I have zero moisture inboard of the glass to seal seam, I began to study the gasket structure. I think they are straight pieces off a bulk roll with self adhesive on the back. I think AS just butts them together and slaps a bit of seal adhesive to the corners and calls it good. I wondered how well the back face was sealed. The only thing I could come up with was the lower corners were leaking UP and over the aluminum and into the channel. Since I have already ordered seal material from VTS, I decided to experiment. I put some small slits in the lower horizontal seal and water ran out from the inside of the "d" cavity. I believe water enters in the top corners, runs down and fills the lower seal and backs up, up the sides until pressure forces it out the rear of the lower corner tops and into the channel. That's why it takes a long or hard rain to fill the trough. I think relief holes in the bottom seal edge, below window glass may be the answer.
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:34 PM   #27
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Panoramic Window (center) water leaks

Am I seeing this wrong or is the gasket 4 separate pieces mitered in the corners with 4 seams? Shouldn't it be a single piece?

If you do drain holes, could you include a detailed pic of location? I think they may work as an interim solution but I bet there's a longer term answer with a different gasket. Just not sure what that might be.

On Edit: and that may explain why it's dry up top for you - the water isn't going to stay there, it's going to seek a bottom so the top to mid of the gasket will probably be dry a day later....
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:43 PM   #28
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That's what I am thinking! They certainly are not "welded" automotive gaskets. I just rolled up the lower gasket with my thumb and cut about 1/4" slits about 6" from the corners, and below the glass edge.
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