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Old 09-28-2008, 01:41 PM   #1
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Hehr vs. Full tilt windows.

One thing I like about AS vs most SOB's is that most of the windows have the "full tilt" feature where they swing out from the top. It almost seems to be a standard feature on older AS models, but on some of the newer models they seem to have the 1/3 window like the typical SOB (such as some of mine). Why is this, is it a money saving thing? Do some folks perfer the 1/3 style window? If so, why? Are the Hehr's better quality than the full tilt windows? Or does Hehr make the full tilt windows too?

I am curious about this as I am lobbying my wife to move on from our Hybrid to an enclosed trailer, preferably an AS. But she says she will miss the "open-ness" of the HTT. I tell her the AS has big wide opening windows (except for the 1/3 models). FYI: I will say that there are things about an enclosed trailer that she does like too.
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Old 09-28-2008, 01:51 PM   #2
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From my '74 Argosy to my current SE Safari, I flat out prefer the full opening windows. Pull into a campsite after a warm day traveling, open the windows in a bit of breeze and it starts taking out the heat fairly quickly. I'd be glad to hear other opinions but maybe Hehrs are just a more economical alternative? A friend has those and he's disappointed with the circulation. I might be wrong but the International CCDs and Safari SEs of this decade were the first time in a while that anything but the Classic had the full opening windows. Full opening windows are just better for sales IMO.
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Old 09-28-2008, 02:44 PM   #3
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CCDs, and Safari SEs (now called Flying clouds in 2009) have the full opening windows...it's a nice feature...and the air circulation is good...
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Old 09-28-2008, 05:33 PM   #4
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I think it's a money saving thing.. My friends have a '04 safari and it has just those 1/3 openers... He wishes he had my full open windows....
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Old 09-29-2008, 07:14 AM   #5
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When, I purchased my Safari in '04 the salesman said that the 1/3 openers were the primary cost saving item in the Safari line. At that time Airstream was interested in producing a lower cost model.

The full windows definitely give more ventilation. I did have a retired deputy sheriff tell me that his full windows had been used to gain entry in a couple of breakins in his rig. He figured that the 1/3 openers made that harder.

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Old 09-29-2008, 07:24 AM   #6
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Yes, the difference between the two window types is a cost savings and weight. The Corning windows are quite more expensive and heavier. We have seen several folks change out the Hehr windows for the full tit outs. Another difference between the two is gasket fit vs. rivited in. Another issue between the two types of windows is interior space. The window frame on the inside needs complete exposure. In many of the units using the Hehr windows they have overhead cabinets above them or just covering the top few inches of the window. This does not allow the opening mechanism to open the window fully.
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:20 AM   #7
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I like the third opening windows. It gives me a clear view out on the upper two thirds without the screen. I also like the extra security that this type window provides.

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I hate to burst bubbles here, but the 1/3 windows do not add much security... If they are planing on braking into your AS the window is not going to stop them... Leave the roof vents open for venting not your windows, if you are worrying about this....

It came down to airstream cutting costs and making more money, thats the bottom line... It's sad to say, but more and more American companies are interested in making more money than a better product..... There getting greedy, how much do they need to make????

I have started to buy American made, I don't shop at Wall Mart all that much any more if I can get it somewhere else...

Chaco Sandals were made in Paonia Colorado... Now they are shipping everything of to China, I will not buy them anymore....

I will stop the rant, but AS is doing the same thing... I don't believe my friends '04 AS will last 40 years like my '68 has,,, It is just not the same quality....
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:36 AM   #9
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Hi Jason- I can't agree with you 100% on this one:
It came down to airstream cutting costs and making more money, thats the bottom line... It's sad to say, but more and more American companies are interested in making more money than a better product..... There getting greedy, how much do they need to make????
What Airstream did was offer options to their customers. Not really cut corners or put more money in their pockets. We have a Safari which has Hehr windows. Not a bad window at all, just different. We could have had the Corning tilts if we wanted to puchase another model. Our Safari was less expensive than the International because of weight saving methods and such things as different windows. The savings between the Hehr and the Corning is seen in the price tag of the unit.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:44 AM   #10
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Well if I am going to make the "switch" I guess I'll have to look for a model with the Corning windows as we like the openness they have. My wife in particular is a stickler for that. As a matter of fact, she would likely just as well keep the Jayco. But she has not been it any AS trailers yet, once she does......aluminitus will likely set in. I always have to lobby for the "toys" I what anyway.....don't we all .

Security.... as to camping and compared to our current hybrid trailer the full opening windows would be like for Knox. currently anyone can get into our trailer by un-buttoning the tent ends. Not much of an issue most places we camp. Any real valuables, such as a laptop, stay locked in the truck when not in use.

At home, well fortunatly, where we live now, our trailer is in a pretty secure place and I could leave the windows open when the weather was good, as I do on our SOB. We live in the historic district of Frederick, MD and are lucky to be able to park it off street behind our house in a private fenced lot. It's a bit of a pain backing the trailer in off of the street, got to make a couple of "S" turns while backing down a driveway with 6 foot faux iron fences on each side (which will likely "limit" us to a 28' length max, due to the angles), but once it's in there it's off the beaten path and out of site from most of the street. Of course now I have jinxed myself and the trailer will be ransacked when I get home!

But I digress....

Currently, depending on the economy towards next spring and if I still have a job (I am in banking - commercial real estate area - who knows what will happen over the next 6-9 months, our bank is now on the target screen for one of the "new" commercial banks such as Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanely to buy, even though we are not "tubing", we just have an attractive "footprint") we will likely be looking at late '90s maybe early '00s. Don't know if we will be able to spring for the "CCD" era. I like the more classic style interiors anyway (the CCDs are cool though). On the newer trailers I prefer the standard Safari wood interior. However, from the earlier post in this thread, I have a feeling that we would be "stuck" with the 1/3 windows with that interior. I guess to get the Corning windows on a later model, we would have to go with the CCD.

This is why forums are great. Compared to years ago when you were almost running blind, nowdays you can get on-line and obtain opinions about anything you are interested in purchasing, visiting or fixing. Of course opinions are like you know whats, everybody has won, but most have proven to be valuable.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:33 PM   #11
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Soyboy, if you like the interior wood of the Safari and want a newer trailer with the tilt-out windows, you can go with an SE model. They combine the "wood" from the Safari with the bare aluminum inner skin of the CCD's and have the tilt-out windows and most have wrap around windows on at least one end.

For 2009, the Safari name has been retired again and replaced with the Flying Cloud name and includes both the tilt-out windows and at least on wrap around end window as standard. Same product as the Safari SE. The Safari Sport has been re-named simply "Airstream Sport" and is the only product in 2009 that has the Hehr windows. The two or three Sport models are available with the tilt-out windows and wrap front windows as options.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:37 PM   #12
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i like the idea of the full open windows. anyway to make these work in a vintage unit? i.e. my 56 flying cloud that i'll be drilling out, reglazing all the windows, etc.

does anyone have a picture of the full opening, i can't picture if it's got a frame or not or if it looks to modern for vintage.
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What really brightens up the interior are the vista views that are above (and below) some of the tilt-outs. Those located above have pleated shades that can cover the vistas to keep out too much sun, but bear in mind that they were absent from certain year models before being brought back. I don't know which years didn't have them, though.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:15 PM   #14
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Minnie's Mate: Thanks for the info, I looked at the new Flying Cloud recently, I like the look but not the price tag. That's why I'll be looking at older models. When I do look around, I'll be keeping an eye out for the types of windows in the unit. I also like the Vista View windows.
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