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Old 09-24-2008, 11:59 AM   #15
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I wish I had another window the same size, and I would just send it to you Kip.

Robert, The circled object in the picture is what I need fabricated. Not the operator arm, but the cross bar.



Now, on the opposite side of this bar, is this little thing that attaches to the cross bar above. It retains the screen, and allows the operator through the screen.
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:11 PM   #16
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Just get me the total height of the window frame and I can get the other dimensions from Shari's.
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Well it seem that my job is done here...lol Let me know if any one needs any pics.
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:58 PM   #18
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Well it seem that my job is done here...lol Let me know if any one needs any pics.
I think the more info the better...it certainly can't hurt to have pics to double check ours are the same, being that yours is a "twin".

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Old 09-24-2008, 03:22 PM   #19
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Robert,

Thanks for getting the info for kip on this window..I owe ya one.

Thanks to you too Shari...and KIP....Karma all around!
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:52 PM   #20
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Hehr Standard Windows - Terminology

Hi Folks,

I just realized I'm having some similar problems with my windows. I can't find some parts...

To start, though, I thought I'd help the discussion with the official terminology used by Hehr back in the day. Remember, we are talking about "Hehr Standard" windows here. They were used starting in 1952 and were beginning to be phased out in 1958. By 1959, only the small inexpensive trailers still used them. I believe they were entirely gone by 1961.

The steel vertical members installed in the back frame where the screen is are called "back channels." There are different kinds depending on what goes through them. If it has a lever operator going through it, it is a "lever back channel." If it has a gear operator through it, you have an "operator back channel." If it has a locking latch through it, you have a "latch back channel." Got it?

Now, for the vertical bar mounted in the front frame where the glass is installed. That is called (you can probably guess) the "front channel." In the early days, those were made of steel. I am not 100% sure, but I believe all the lever style front channels were steel. Correct me if I am wrong. When the gear operators came on the scene, they started using extruded aluminum channels so the operator arm tips (nylon sliders or wheels) would have something to ride in. These would be called either "operator front channels" or "latch front channels," depending on whether they were fitted with the little catch for the latch. Only the operator front channels had the notch out at one end for the nylon tip to go in and out of the channel.

The little rectangle or oval steel parts that were attached to the back channels are called "grommets." They came in a bunch of different styles, including some with springs on them. One style was called a "hook grommet" and it was used with the lever style windows. The hook is used to secure the lever when the window is closed. It came in either a 6-3/16" or a 9-3/16" version depending on the lever used.

If I can't find my 6 missing latch back channels and 9 missing operator back channels (long story), I'll be making them in quantity. Same goes for the corresponding grommets.

If I can't find my 2 missing latch front channels and 3 missing operator front channels, I'm going to panic. Then I'm going to invest in aluminum extrusion tooling and have them made in quantity.

As all of you who have worked with me on past reproduction projects know, this will take some time. But since my windows can't be reassembled until I get this done, I'll move faster than usual!
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:03 PM   #21
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Our 58 Sovereign of the Road has mostly Operator Back channels on the sides... but in the bedroom area, I have Operator Lock Back Channels (have both an operator and the locking lever)... and since it was at the end I have the next generator windons on both ends. Thanks for the info Steve!!
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Source for galvanized screen

I know Vintage Trailer Supply has the screen, but I am looking to get my hands on some tomorrow to do some window restoration this weekend.

Anyone have a source?

If not, I will order from VTS, and wait on doing the window repair.

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I know Vintage Trailer Supply has the screen, but I am looking to get my hands on some tomorrow to do some window restoration this weekend.

Anyone have a source?

If not, I will order from VTS, and wait on doing the window repair.

Steve

Steve,

I replaced my screen with the aluminum screen that you can pick up from Lowes or any other hardward store. I will hold up for years. Its aluminum right....
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Robert,

I was under the impression that the aluminum screening would not stay in the small "V" of the window very well, and would come out.

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I know Vintage Trailer Supply has the screen, but I am looking to get my hands on some tomorrow to do some window restoration this weekend.

Anyone have a source?

If not, I will order from VTS, and wait on doing the window repair.

Steve
Steve,

I purchased some from a local glass and screen door company in Anaheim. You won't find it at the big box stores or chain hardware (Ace/True Value). It was really inexpensive.

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As much as I hate resurrecting old threads, I have been looking and looking for information on these windows, and this thread is the closest. It appears I have the Hehr Standard windows on my '59 Pacer, which would make sense considering they continued using the system on the "inexpensive smaller trailers" of which the Pacer is a perfect example.

Now, I am a little confused by terminology as I have only seen a couple other vintage Airstream window mechanisms in person. I have the "push-bar style"? where there are notches on a lever that you adjust to hold it open, and you lock it closed under a J-shaped piece of metal "hook grommet"? on the "lever back channel" (if I am reading the terminology correctly).

Here I get to the focus of my question: I have read a lot of information about losing windows while trailering. I only have a few more tows left before she gets parked for a few months during the major renovation (DMV, shop, etc.), and thus far have been blue-taping the windows as I read about somewhere else. I am curious as to how the windows actually fly off because this mechanism actually seems pretty secure based upon the strength of the lever and the hook grommet.

And if you've got another thread to redirect this 4-day owner of an Airstream to, he would be perfectly willing to read it.

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worldinchaos,

Resurrecting old things is what we do around here! You are right about everything on your trailer. you have Standard windows with levers. You should not worry about losing your windows or glass. They are not very susceptible to falling off your trailer. They are more likely to leak. The windows that fall out are late 1960s Phillips/Corning windows. Welcome to the world of 1950s Airstreams!
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Resurrecting old things is what we do around here! Welcome to the world of 1950s Airstreams!
Ha! Touche, sir. Thanks for the confirmation. I will go un-tape all my windows now and stop looking like an Airstream newbie...

But seriously, I was going to be really surprised if those windows had a danger of flying off. I mean they seem SOLID.

Thanks again.
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