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05-29-2006, 05:55 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,378
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Breaking Tempered Glass
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05-29-2006, 07:15 PM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
Mississauga
, Ontario
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,244
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I live in Canada where it gets cold a lot of the time. Would actually like to have thermopane windows. Go figure.
Al
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05-29-2006, 08:05 PM
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#43
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Albuquerque
, New Mexico
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,917
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAl
I live in Canada where it gets cold a lot of the time. Would actually like to have thermopane windows. Go figure.
Al
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Big All,
Scroll up to post #30. The inside surfaces of the dual panes (pains) of the '70s were tinted. Over the years, the tinted film bubbles. During the same period, condensation fogs the space between the panes. It ain't pretty but if you really want 'em, I'll trade.
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06-17-2006, 08:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Albuquerque
, New Mexico
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,917
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Foggy Fenestration Fixed!
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06-19-2006, 08:03 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1979 31' Sovereign
Baton Rouge
, Louisiana
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 72
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Guys,
I read the entire thread and I think I have this figured out. I have a 1979 Sovereign and all of my windows are in good shape except the double pane, non-opening window in the living room (big one on bottom, not the sky-light). This one has bubbles and condensation in it and it actually has about an inch of water standing in it! FREAKY! If I read this right, I have to BREAK the inner pane? Can it be replaced? Please give me the benefit of some experience here! Thanks.
-Don
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06-19-2006, 08:16 PM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 15,618
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra93
Guys,
I read the entire thread and I think I have this figured out. I have a 1979 Sovereign and all of my windows are in good shape except the double pane, non-opening window in the living room (big one on bottom, not the sky-light). This one has bubbles and condensation in it and it actually has about an inch of water standing in it! FREAKY! If I read this right, I have to BREAK the inner pane? Can it be replaced? Please give me the benefit of some experience here! Thanks.
-Don
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Don, You need to find out how that water is getting inside the glass. Is that the very big window on the curb side?
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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06-20-2006, 08:41 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1979 31' Sovereign
Baton Rouge
, Louisiana
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 72
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Nope, it's the big one next to the entry door. Is it possible to remove the window, scrape the film and replace the inner pane? I don't really want to go to single pane windows. Thanks.
-Don
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06-23-2006, 06:09 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Albuquerque
, New Mexico
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,917
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Just finished de-tinting my roadside stack windows today:
Before and After
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04-22-2007, 01:55 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari FB SE
Petaluma
, California
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 37
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I have a 1972 Trade Wind with the Vista View windows and heard that the inner panes are installed and removed differently. Anyone have experience or know about the 1972 models?
Thanks,
Aron
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04-22-2007, 08:48 AM
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1 Rivet Member
1976 31' Sovereign
BERRYVILLE
, Virginia
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 14
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Stop!!! Don't Break The Inner Pane Of Glass! Read My Threads I Posted A Couple Of Weeks Ago .
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04-22-2007, 08:58 AM
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 7,172
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Quote:
Originally Posted by asmetana@kar
I have a 1972 Trade Wind with the Vista View windows and heard that the inner panes are installed and removed differently. Anyone have experience or know about the 1972 models?
Thanks,
Aron
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Aron,
IIRC the 72 has a snap ring that holds the inner plexiglass window in place. Very easy to remove and clean.
Aaron
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04-22-2007, 11:06 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
ORD
, Nebraska
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 32
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Anyone tried removing?
I'm looking at doing all the glass on our 31' Sovereign and was wondering if anyone's tried removing the windows & frame, unpeeling the frame off the glass, cleaning the residue from between the glass and reinstalling? I'm thinking about doing this but am still looking for the appropriate rivet tool. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Erik
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04-22-2007, 11:35 AM
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 7,172
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Quote:
Originally Posted by welld.geo
I'm looking at doing all the glass on our 31' Sovereign and was wondering if anyone's tried removing the windows & frame, unpeeling the frame off the glass, cleaning the residue from between the glass and reinstalling? I'm thinking about doing this but am still looking for the appropriate rivet tool. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Erik
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Here is a LINK to a thread where someone took the windows apart and redid them. I have suspected that it could be done, but had not taken the time to investigate. Apparently the hardest thing to find is the seal that goes between the glass and the frame. What type of rivet tool are you looking for?
Aaron
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04-23-2007, 05:42 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
ORD
, Nebraska
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 32
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Glass & Rivets
Thanks for the link on the window repair! It's nice to know someone's did this before I attempt.
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What type of rivet tool are you looking for?
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I'm looking at purchasing the rivet tool for the window frames. I haven't done the research yet, but it seems the rivets are the same as the ones holding the skin onto the upright structural members. I realize I'll probably have to do some delaminating of the interior skins to reach some of these, but that will give me time to insulate as well .
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04-23-2007, 06:04 PM
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 7,172
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Quote:
Originally Posted by welld.geo
I'm looking at purchasing the rivet tool for the window frames. I haven't done the research yet, but it seems the rivets are the same as the ones holding the skin onto the upright structural members. I realize I'll probably have to do some delaminating of the interior skins to reach some of these, but that will give me time to insulate as well .
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The windows are held together with bucked rivets. Basically you put a rivet blank in the hole, hold a hand anvil against the backside and pound the crap out of the front side with a special air gun. They are available from several sources my favorite being Aircraft Spruce or ATS I can highly recommend both companies.
Aaron
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04-24-2007, 04:33 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
ORD
, Nebraska
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 32
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Thanks for the links! I'm going to find out what size rivets I need and get the tools ordered in the next couple of weeks. As teachers we get the option of a "lump sum payment" at the end of May instead of having it put into every check throughout the year. Time to spend some of that moldy cash! Erik
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04-24-2007, 05:39 PM
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 7,172
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Quote:
Originally Posted by welld.geo
Thanks for the links! I'm going to find out what size rivets I need and get the tools ordered in the next couple of weeks. As teachers we get the option of a "lump sum payment" at the end of May instead of having it put into every check throughout the year. Time to spend some of that moldy cash! Erik
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Erik,
You are welcome for the links. If you need any others just holler.
I grew up around educators (whole fam damily except for me and one brother and that bridges 2 generations ) In NC they do the lump sum crap in some counties and not in others, really whacks you in the pocket book come tax time
Aaron
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04-25-2007, 11:25 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake
, Colorado
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoonc
The windows are held together with bucked rivets. Basically you put a rivet blank in the hole, hold a hand anvil against the backside and pound the crap out of the front side with a special air gun. They are available from several sources my favorite being Aircraft Spruce or ATS I can highly recommend both companies.
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After bucking rivets last weekend with Aerowood, I can tell you he's da man when it comes to rivets. Here's what I learned. You can't use a common exhaust system air hammer, you need a special and more controllable tool. He recommends a "3X" air gun (that's a driving power, not a trade name). Then you have to get all the right rivet sets for it (flush, 5/8 round head, etc.).
The following applies to the shell. Maybe to the windows, too. It turns out that the original Airstream rivets, 1/8" round head, are no longer available. In order to get a head that has a similar diameter and crown shape, you need to get 5/32 rivets. Rivet type is MS20470A5-X, where
MS20470 -- airplane, aluminum, defines the right head shape
...........A -- soft, use for patches and low-load structure. Use
..................a harder rivet for skin to stringer or higher load
..................skin-to-skin connections, use "AD". These buggers are
..................harder to drive, let me tell you, but not that difficult.
...........5 -- 5/32 diameter
...........X -- length in 1/32", should be 1.5D protruding through all
..................layers, before bucking. more on computing X after I ask
..................for "further clarification" from the master.
Zep
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04-25-2007, 11:41 AM
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New Member
Frisco
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Kleven
I have the same problem on the 76 Ambassador that I just bought. I was planning on "making the break" this weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.
Randy
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04-25-2007, 01:43 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1972 27' Overlander
Monterey Bay
, California
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 47
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I have been looking at the two dual pane front curved windows in my rig for three months. I am not sure if these are called vista windows or not. I finally got up enough nerve to take a chance and initiate some kind of remedy. I recently removed the two inner front curved windows on my 72 overlander. I do however think they were some form of plexi or hard plastic and not glass. They would retain moisture and looked like hell. I went from dual panes to single panes. They look so much better.
Here is what I did.
I took a dremel tool w/ a small cutting wheel attached. Made the initial plunge cut in the center of window and moved outward from there. I also set the tool on a little less that half speed. Just enough to let the tool do it's job. On the first one I taped it all up w/ masking tape. I did this tape job because I wasn't sure what the heck was going to happen. After a few six inch cuts I removed the tape since no shattering was evident. After cutting from center to near the edge, I would just pull out the window in very small pieces. I used the same method one would use for cutting a pie. (I hope that makes sense). The sweet thing about this method was that the diameter of the wheel is just less than the distance to the outer front pane. And almost impossible to hurt the outer window.
The little cutting wheels for the dremel are quite thin and make nice fine cuts. You will however break several wheels so have plenty on hand. They are quite nasty little projectiles. The whole job took about 1.5 hrs. including clean up. I am now minus two front curved inner windows but the outers are now shiny and a pleasure to clean and watch the grass grow. They almost look new. Just food for thought.
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