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Old 01-23-2006, 06:07 PM   #15
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My 75 has bubbles in the windows, too. The only way I have seen to fix them is to replace the glass, which means, essentially, replacing the windows.

this is an ouch as they have Airstream quality pricing.
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Old 01-23-2006, 06:27 PM   #16
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Thanks for the tip about the scraper. It's on order!
But as Aaron points out, the goop is between the panes on the doubl pane glass.
Thins I can break the inner pane like you did on the Vista Views?
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I lucked out, did not need to break anything. Thre must be away to disassemble. I'll look at a friends 31'er. Will be a week or so, goin south on vacation!
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Old 01-23-2006, 07:10 PM   #17
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75 was the split year on the Vista Views after a certain point they went to the ones like I have, where you have to break the inner pane to get it cleaned out. I did that on mine, but slipped up with the punch on one of mine and had to replace it. Cost was around $250 57 rivets and then after a good hard rain it leaks...between the glass and the frame! And I am not going to take it back out! So I cut the seal back and resealed it with Vulkem, needless to say Airstream's QC was not good on that unit.

Klevan, can you get some close up pictures of the inside near the frame? I suspect they are made like the corner windows on the front of mine. I have heard of people breaking the inner panes on those but I have not seen it done. I did notice that yours has the holes drilled in the outside to help drain the condensation from between the glass.

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Old 01-23-2006, 07:54 PM   #18
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I have a good example of the 75 change. A friend has a 31' built in the same month and factory as my 29' but he has the easy to fix vista views. I don't.

Of course, pulling the inside skin to straighten ribs (anyone have a spare rib? we need one or two - and how do you get one of those to Reno?) helps with access.
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Old 01-23-2006, 08:32 PM   #19
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Very observant, Aaron. Yes, some PO has drilled from the outside to drain condensation. The double paned windows are now condensation free ; however, the UV protectant film has bubbled .

The advise is good. I'll take inside shots as you request.
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Hi, I've got a '79 Trade Wind with Vista View bubbles. Am I going to be able to fix them like Balrgn or are they different on my model. They look like double pane (pain) to me.
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Old 01-24-2006, 03:54 AM   #21
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Hi, I've got a '79 Trade Wind with Vista View bubbles. Am I going to be able to fix them like Balrgn or are they different on my model. They look like double pane (pain) to me.
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Wendy,
You have the "sealed" double pane Vista Views. You will have to break the inner panes out to clear them up. It is not for the faint of heart, but IMHO it is worth it to have nice clear Vista Views. I am 6'-3" tall and they are about the only window I can see out of when I am standing up

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Old 05-26-2006, 07:21 PM   #22
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Fixing Foggy Fenestration: Update

Still struggling with a way to clean up the dual "pain" windows on my '76 Sovereign, with very little help from you guys I might add (huff).

I decided to take a " break the inner pane" approach.

Step 1. Remove window from Airstream by removing handles on inside so window opener levers could pass completely through. Removed screw attaching scissor lever to window unit. Tilted window upward past the 90 degree point and lifted it free of hinge moulding.

Step 2. On the work table,scored the inside pane with glass cutter

Step 3. Covered inside pane with clear laminating film.

Step 4. Smacked the scored line with welders chipping hammer.

Step 5. Smacked it again harder.

Step 6. Really smacked it very, very hard.

Step 7. Put down the hammer and stepped away from the work table, realizing that if I hit it any harder, I would go through both panes, and then we would have a drenching thunderstorm even though New Mexico is in the middle of a 50 year drought and it hasn't rained for more than six months.

Step 8. Reinstalled the window unit on the Airstream.

Your thoughts?
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Old 05-27-2006, 06:23 AM   #23
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You may need to use a sharp center punch and hammer . I suspect that the inner pane is also tempered glass . Try right next to the frame in a corner , not in the middle , it does take a firm hit . The inner pane is not labeled tempered but if it shatters into tiny pieces it is. This never made sese to me , the inside is where you want the protection from shattered glass . Good luck
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For those of you that have the double pane vista view and broken out the inner pane . Did the glass break into large pieces or into very small pieces ? Thanks
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Can't wait to see where this ends up! I was tickled pink to find that my "great find" 31' Sovereign had double paine windows, but overlooked small defects like the bubbled UV film in the excitement of getting it at a reasonable price. There's just got to be a way to get these things apart without breaking the glass, one has to believe...despite the obvious from many who have tried.
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You may need to use a sharp center punch and hammer . I suspect that the inner pane is also tempered glass . Try right next to the frame in a corner , not in the middle , it does take a firm hit . The inner pane is not labeled tempered but if it shatters into tiny pieces it is. This never made sese to me , the inside is where you want the protection from shattered glass . Good luck
Thanks, Ticki2. Yes, the inside pane is tempered glass. Does this suggest a better way to execute controlled destruction of the inside pane while leaving the outside pane intact?

How about drilling with a regular drilll bit? I once cracked a Jeep windshield accidentally when drilling a hole in the windshield frame, and I caught the edge of the glass.

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Can't wait to see where this ends up! I was tickled pink to find that my "great find" 31' Sovereign had double paine windows, but overlooked small defects like the bubbled UV film in the excitement of getting it at a reasonable price. There's just got to be a way to get these things apart without breaking the glass, one has to believe...despite the obvious from many who have tried.
Zep, Hurry up and find a better way. This isn't a split sash like we see in the Airstreams of the early 70's. It appears that the aluminum sash molding was "wrapped" around the dual panes during manufacture. The seam where the two ends meet is held closed by the rivets holding the hinge across the top of the window assembly.
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[quote=klevan]Thanks, Ticki2. Yes, the inside pane is tempered glass. Does this suggest a better way to execute controlled destruction of the inside pane while leaving the outside pane intact?

How about drilling with a regular drilll bit? I once cracked a Jeep windshield accidentally when drilling a hole in the windshield frame, and I caught the edge of the glass.


I had two reasons for asking . 1. I found it a lot easier and cleaner to work on the out side than the inside . When I did mine it was long before I found this forum , I thought I was very clever at the time . If they are both tempered it doesn't matter which one you break . A sharp punch on an edge next to the frame will break it into many small pieces , I found this easier to control than a drill which would tend to hit the other pane as it went through . I was also suprised at how hard it had to be hit , gets your heart pounding. 2. As I mentioned , I did this without the help of this forum and it never occured to me that the inner pane would not be tempered . So for years I have been hoping I didn't make a mistake , your observation has eased my mind some . Good luck
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When I did mine it was long before I found this forum , I thought I was very clever at the time . If they are both tempered it doesn't matter which one you break . A sharp punch on an edge next to the frame will break it into many small pieces , I found this easier to control than a drill which would tend to hit the other pane as it went through . I was also suprised at how hard it had to be hit , gets your heart pounding. 2. As I mentioned , I did this without the help of this forum and it never occured to me that the inner pane would not be tempered . So for years I have been hoping I didn't make a mistake , your observation has eased my mind some . Good luck
Let me get this straight, Ticki2. You've actually done this with a successful outcome? How many windows? How did you keep the remaining pane in place after you removed one? Did you remove the window unit and do the sharp bunch on a workbench, or did you leave the window unit in the trailer? Got a picture of the finished product?
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