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06-14-2007, 08:00 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1974 25' Tradewind
Muscle Shoals
, Alabama
Join Date: Apr 2007
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EEEEK!!!! What the heck happened here??
Imagine my surprise when I lifted the rock guard on my 74 Tradewind and found this??
Is this repairable and how do you get the gunk (toward the bottom of the window floating in the water) out?
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06-14-2007, 08:11 AM
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2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
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Location: 1963 26' Overlander
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuman70
Imagine my surprise when I lifted the rock guard on my 74 Tradewind and found this??
Attachment 39204
Is this repairable and how do you get the gunk (toward the bottom of the window floating in the water) out?
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Looks like your double pane corner window wants to be an aquarium. Get an air pump and some goldfish.
You will have to break the inner pane, most likely. You might be able to drill al hole first to drain it.
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06-14-2007, 08:17 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 27' Overlander
Longmont
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 951
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You have a pretty bad exterior leak in your window, which is double-pane. The good news is that the interior pane seems to be keeping it contained! If you use search function, you'll find rather detailed info on drilling small drain holes, at an angle, to let the water out. Another option is to break out the interior pane, which would allow you to also clean up the "gook" inside. Another option is a whole new window. Whichever way you handle it, you then need to re-seal the exterior perimeter of that window, and all others, with a good sealant, like parbond or vulkem. Or, on a completely different tack, just figure out a way to get some very skinny tropical fish into the thing!! Good luck.
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06-14-2007, 08:20 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1974 25' Tradewind
Muscle Shoals
, Alabama
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 145
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Is that gunk in the bottom of the window part of the sealant? if so, why hasn't the water drained out?
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06-14-2007, 08:22 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1974 25' Tradewind
Muscle Shoals
, Alabama
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 145
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The good new is: there do not appear to be any interior leaks because of this. The floor under the window is fine.
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06-14-2007, 08:32 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1974 25' Tradewind
Muscle Shoals
, Alabama
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 145
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I've seen posts on drilling from the outside. Wouldn't that make less of a mess?
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06-14-2007, 06:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuman70
I've seen posts on drilling from the outside. Wouldn't that make less of a mess?
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We have a wing window/ aquarium also. I have drilled a 1/8" hole at the base of the window, and am going to drill a hole in the glass with a diamond tipped bit. It will allow the water to eventually drain out, then I can reseal the window.
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06-14-2007, 07:27 PM
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
, North Carolina
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tphan
You have a pretty bad exterior leak in your window, which is double-pane. The good news is that the interior pane seems to be keeping it contained! If you use search function, you'll find rather detailed info on drilling small drain holes, at an angle, to let the water out. Another option is to break out the interior pane, which would allow you to also clean up the "gook" inside. Another option is a whole new window. Whichever way you handle it, you then need to re-seal the exterior perimeter of that window, and all others, with a good sealant, like parbond or vulkem. Or, on a completely different tack, just figure out a way to get some very skinny tropical fish into the thing!! Good luck.
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And a while back someone figured out you can dissassemble the wing windows and even found a replacement gasket! I don't recall seeing a part number or price on the gasket and from the description I don't think it is a process for the faint of heart. I have seen many units with holes drilled in the outer frame. You have to be very careful not to nick the edge of the glass or it will be all over.
Aaron
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06-15-2007, 07:35 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1974 25' Tradewind
Muscle Shoals
, Alabama
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 145
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Overlander63,
Did you drill on the inside or outside? How does the water get in there? Was it a leak from the window frame? I guess sealing that area with vulkem would prevent further leaks. What do you think?
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08-27-2013, 04:08 PM
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New Member
1972 31' Sovereign
Wilson
, New York
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2
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I had a 72 31' same problem; removed curtains & rod then drilled out rivets on inside trim and removed it this exposes the inside, of the inside window, use a tool to break lose the screws holding the outside window then go outside and carefully pry out the outside wing window. If you break off any screws be sure to use an extractor to get them out or a Small grinder to cut them off and drill a new hole if necessary. I cleaned up the window & replaced the Dum-Dum (White stuff) between the windows and put it back together, about two hrs.
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08-27-2013, 06:04 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 31' Sovereign
Palomar Mountain
, California
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 355
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" & replaced the Dum-Dum (White stuff) between the windows"
Isn't there something else we can use besides this stuff - when in the sun, I have large chunks slowly coming down between the windows.
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08-27-2013, 06:11 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 Argosy 24
Currently Looking...
Milltown
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,087
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Seal it up with black urethane, it's the stuff that they glue the windshield into your car with. After being exposed to air, it hardens like black rubber. It will glue glass to glass or glass to metal like nothing else.
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08-27-2013, 08:36 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 21' Globetrotter
Houston
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,320
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I rebuilt both of my wing windows as single pane. To do this, I had to remove the entire assembly (drill out all the bucked rivets) so that the frames could separate (not as described above). My interior skins are out so bucking them back in wasn't a problem. Maybe not as easy as drilling a drain hole, but beautiful results, plus I have the intact inner panes that can be used if my outer panes ever break. Search for "wing window rebuild" to see the thread.
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08-28-2013, 11:16 AM
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New Member
1972 31' Sovereign
Wilson
, New York
Join Date: Aug 2012
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If you go to a commercial glazing co. you can purchase a roll of what they use. the reason yours slid is due to the water entering the window I am sure if you discussed the problem with them and got it ready for repair then hauled it over to them they would be happy to have one of their tecs. do the repair as it is relatively simple at that point. Do Not remove the exterior rivets.
You do know that there are reproductions of the original Tech manuals available from online sources.
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08-28-2013, 02:52 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 21' Globetrotter
Houston
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Have a good hard look at your wing window and make sure it is the original (one tip-off is Olympic rivets instead of bucked rivets in the frame). Both of the windows in my '73 had been replaced at some point, and were of a completely different design (in terms of how they came apart), than is described in the maintenance manual (or above). One of them had black tar-like stuff separating the panes, and one had the grey goo you have. Both needed a rebuild.
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01-29-2014, 08:15 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1973 31' Sovereign
Cornville
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero
I had a 72 31' same problem; removed curtains & rod then drilled out rivets on inside trim and removed it this exposes the inside, of the inside window, use a tool to break lose the screws holding the outside window then go outside and carefully pry out the outside wing window. If you break off any screws be sure to use an extractor to get them out or a Small grinder to cut them off and drill a new hole if necessary. I cleaned up the window & replaced the Dum-Dum (White stuff) between the windows and put it back together, about two hrs.
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I have a '73 and several of the screw head twisted off. What is the screw extracted you refer to?
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01-29-2014, 08:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
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Estancia
, New Mexico
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossiyjack
I have a '73 and several of the screw head twisted off. What is the screw extracted you refer to?
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Screw extractor. Any good hardware store should have one.
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01-30-2014, 01:09 AM
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Rivet Master
1978 31' Excella 500
Genoa
, Nevada
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by overlander63
We have a wing window/ aquarium also. I have drilled a 1/8" hole at the base of the window, and am going to drill a hole in the glass with a diamond tipped bit. It will allow the water to eventually drain out, then I can reseal the window.
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That glass could be very strained and just waiting for an excuse to crack, be careful with drilling any holes in the glass.
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01-30-2014, 07:08 AM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
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Estancia
, New Mexico
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The black stuff or grey stuff is called butyl and is available for rebuilds.
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