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Old 07-07-2007, 10:34 PM   #1
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7 Hours - Reseal 1 Window

The goal for this weekend was new seals on four of the 7 windows and repaint and rescreen the interior frames. Well that didn't happen. I spent 7 hours realizing there is no way to properly replace the seal without taking the window out - and then getting it out. We have the infamous rings that hold the window shaft in place. Came prepared with all the right tools including a new set of picks - one of which is now broken.

Ended up using the pictured jewelers screwdriver - working it into the ring cut and then eeking it off the shaft. The second window only took an hour to get loose - but then at least 15 attempts to get it to reseat in the groove that holds the frame in place - it seated on the ends but the middle took some convincing.

Anyone have any better results with this project. Verbal abuse didn't work.
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Old 07-07-2007, 10:55 PM   #2
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Window Clips

I had the exact same problem. I ended up using a dremmel tool to cut the clip off because I had no luck with removing them at all. I used the thin cutting wheel until just cutting through. Then pryed off rest of the way. I replaced with a 3/16 C clip. It was not the perfect fix as the clip on window in rear bath pops off sometimes and they don't fit perfectly but the rest have held pretty well. I did re-use the flat washer that were on mine. I was thinking of trying to maybel replace with some sort of cap washer but have moved on to other projects. I finally think I have found and stopped the remaining three leaks in our Overlander.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:51 AM   #3
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Cut off the clip, and drill a small hole through the pin. Put on a thin flat washer and cotter pin. Should take about 20 minutes per, but next time you can get the window apart in 2 minutes.
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Ring clips 101

You could also use ring type retaining clips to replace the old technology rings with! They fit the groove cut better and can easily be removed in the future with ring clamp pliers. The pliers come with straight or offset heads. Happy Trails, Ed
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Old 07-08-2007, 12:12 PM   #5
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I am so glad to see that I'm not the only one driven crazy by these "C" rings. When I was salvaging windows from the "dead in baker" Overlander, I finally had to resort to hammering the tab off the window frame (the little rivets are easily broken, it turns out). Now I'm riveting the tabs back on.

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Old 07-08-2007, 12:29 PM   #6
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You could also use ring type retaining clips to replace the old technology rings with! They fit the groove cut better and can easily be removed in the future with ring clamp pliers. The pliers come with straight or offset heads. Happy Trails, Ed
Ring clips get my vote too. Every auto parts store has them and the pliers. It will be a piece of cake in the future.

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Old 07-09-2007, 05:30 AM   #7
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Thanks. I have quarter inch snap rings to replace them with - they just seem so meager in comparison to the ring on it now - we'll see how they hold up.

The old rings are really tough - tried to drill a sixteenth hole in one to get something to put a pick in - that was a worthless attempt. Terry's idea seems like a good one also.
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Hi Gary,

The thing to remember is that the ring only keeps the shaft from falling out. The actual stress is on the shaft itself.

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Good point Vaughan - thanks.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:50 PM   #10
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Terry,

how'd you drill the hole in the retaining pin? Is it soft enough that normal high speed steel drills will suffice?

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Cut off the clip, and drill a small hole through the pin. Put on a thin flat washer and cotter pin. Should take about 20 minutes per, but next time you can get the window apart in 2 minutes.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:00 PM   #11
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I put some epoxy on a ring that was pesky several years ago. Hasn't budged since.

Haven't tried it but I don't see why the rod couldn't be tapped to you can put on an acorn nut like they did in later models.
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:36 PM   #12
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It turns out the post part of the window rod is mild steel and can be drilled pretty easily. I drilled a hole through the clip ring groove just a little bigger in diameter than clothes hangar wire. Works great.

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