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Old 12-27-2009, 04:31 PM   #1
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1964 Mystery Hehr Side Windows-Need Operators

My front and back windows appear to be Hehr Hall Mark 12 (model on window Hehr-L 1299 01394). But what are my side windows? I have two model numbers; Hehr-L 2801 221 291 and Hehr-L 2801 221 24. I need to find new operators, and I am not finding this style on initial searches. I did find one original post that referenced differences between Ohio and California built trailers in that year. Mine was built in CA in March of '64. Here's a picture of the operators I need to replace.
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Old 12-27-2009, 04:36 PM   #2
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Here is a closer view of the operators I will need:
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My front and back windows appear to be Hehr Hall Mark 12 (model on window Hehr-L 1299 01394). But what are my side windows? I have two model numbers; Hehr-L 2801 221 291 and Hehr-L 2801 221 24. I need to find new operators, and I am not finding this style on initial searches. I did find one original post that referenced differences between Ohio and California built trailers in that year. Mine was built in CA in March of '64. Here's a picture of the operators I need to replace.
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Old 12-27-2009, 04:52 PM   #4
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This link is for the operaor that works with a Hehr Hall Mark 12. Take a look at both pictures again. The Hehr-L 2801 has a single crank (gear box) on the right side and two lift arms attached to the window. I need the gear box.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:11 PM   #5
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yup

I've got that weird type too and I have an ohio coach, I got the last 2 from an rv dealer locally. One was still in the package; it read wcm corp. part # 808 LH, Hialeah (sp?) FL.
I think they are out of business. I think they were a company that sold casement window hardware for residences and mobile homes. So you may have some luck looking outside the rv industry. I need a couple more also if I find any I'll let you know, and vice versa please.

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Forgot
see my profile comment from a-merry-can (dated 10-1) he said he got some from blaine window. I couldnt find them there but he has his act together better then I do so you may want to give this a try also.

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Old 12-27-2009, 09:13 PM   #7
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see my profile comment from a-merry-can (dated 10-1) he said he got some from blaine window. I couldnt find them there but he has his act together better then I do so you may want to give this a try also.

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I found myself on this page of window crank operators from Blaine just a minute ago. I bet it is the bottom right hand corner version in this link. I need to measure it when I am at the Safari next weekend. It sure looks like it will be this one. I appreciate yours and Merry-a-can's help!

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As you are finding out 1964 was an odd year in terms of windows. Unfortunately the cranks you are looking for attached to some complete windows on my parts shelf. I am not willing to break up the complete sets. I think you are on the right track though. Perhaps you should give Steve a call at VTS for he will know exactly where to find what you need.
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As you are finding out 1964 was an odd year in terms of windows. Unfortunately the cranks you are looking for attached to some complete windows on my parts shelf. I am not willing to break up the complete sets. I think you are on the right track though. Perhaps you should give Steve a call at VTS for he will know exactly where to find what you need.
Thank you Frank. I am going to first measure up what I have, and see if there is a fit with what Blaine Window shows on-line. If they do not, I will give Steve at VTS a shout. VTS is the first place I turned when I figured out the side windows where not the more common Hehr Mark 12's, but alas, too uncommon for his catalog. I also heard from Inland Andy, and he believes he may have the cranks as well. One way or another this mystery will be solved.

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If you go to Strybucs website Strybuc Industries-Nationwide Distributor of Replacement Window Hardware and Door hardware try to find page 198 of their window catalog, it shows various casement operators. I checked 2 1964 trailers in the shop, a Bambi II and a Safari, both are using a modified operator like Strybucs 807CK, nothing like what you have on either trailer.
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If you go to Strybucs website Strybuc Industries-Nationwide Distributor of Replacement Window Hardware and Door hardware try to find page 198 of their window catalog, it shows various casement operators. I checked 2 1964 trailers in the shop, a Bambi II and a Safari, both are using a modified operator like Strybucs 807CK, nothing like what you have on either trailer.
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The good news is Strybucs has additional options, so between Blaine Windows and Strybucs, hopefully there is a match. Thanks for passsing this along. I will be measuring my window operator when I am back to my winter work location this weekend.

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Old 01-04-2010, 08:08 PM   #12
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I dropped an order into Blaine Window Hardware this week for 5 new window operators that appear to be an exact match for the Hehr mystery side windows. Here's a pick of the M-2589 operator, and now I am crossing my fingers these are it. I also orderd new nylon friction pads or slides from VTS. I will report back again once confirmed and installed in the first window.
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:30 PM   #13
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Fixed!

The replacements form Blaine were a match! I now have a working window that closes all the way. It took three attempts to get everything lined up properly, but now the future windowgear replacements will go much faster. Here is a picture with the new gear installed, and a shot of a new nylon slide.
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Looking great there Tim. It's nice to solve a problem and have everything work as it's supposed to again. Congratulations.
I just scored a brand new Bargman L-100 lever-set for the Safari, along with a front window guard and a BIG roll of aluminum. I'm getting psyched about working on it again. Rain has been keeping me indoors lately though.

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Rich, be glad it is just rain. You could have almost three feet of snow and another foot on the way in two days.
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I just found this thread and I'm mentioned! ha! I replaced all the openers in my windows last year. I have to say... i HATE the windows in my '64. Since you can't lock them, even with the new operators, the street side windows have a tendency to crack open at the bottom during a tow.

The way those operators work is they raise 2 bars to hold up the glass from one crank. The arm on the opposite side from the crank is angled so it hits the trailer first, so it's nice and snug, BUT you can't always get the side with the operator as snug, even when you really torque it down (no pun intended). On the streetside, those are at the front of the window, not the back, so they catch the wind. Of course, on my trade wind, that side has the majority of the windows!!! On the worst 2, I drilled a small hole in the bottom of the frame, and sill and put in a little pull pin I got from McMaster. Works great. Pop it out when I get to camp.

I would replace them all, while you're in there. They're all the same age. I also took the time to sand and polish (as best i could) the sills while the windows were out. They're a pain to remove, and I didn't want to get back in there. Replace all those screws with stainless while you're in there. No one likes rust on their Airstream! If you break the glass, you'll need to unscrew the frame to remove the glass. I broke my front glass when I was changing out the crank.

Having said all that, they do look really slick from the outside. Always good to see another '64 with those windows! I know they weren't used for the whole run. A friend of mine has a '64 with the same windows as my '62. It must have been built at the beginning of '64

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Hi Tim

If you keep making forward progress I will never catch up to you! I look forward to seeing your window rebuild in person. I have so many questions, will it ever end!
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glad to see that worked out for you. I need to get some nylon guides also, a couple of mine kind of bounce their way open!
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And by the way, the factory Clutch Head screws were a b%^&* to get to, and thus get out. I finally ordered a flexible 1/2" extension, and was barely able, and I mean just barely, to get on the head that was most difficult to reach, and then back it out. I replaced with the appropriate Phillips head.
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When I did my windows, I removed the outer window frame before taking anything of the operators off. Open your window until the end of the arm is at the point in the frame where there's a screw and a small access piece. Remove that, slide the arm ends out and lift the window frame up. Then remove the philips head screw that's in the middle of the window's top hinge, and slide it out. It will be REALLY close to the skin of your trailer, so take extra caution NOT to scratch the side. Once you do that, everything is a piece of cake to get at. (kinda like taking the hood off the car before you do major engine work... do it once, then it becomes standard!)

Definitely replace the plastic bushings in the arms, and clean out the window slides if you can. I used a scotchbrite pad and some WD40. They glide open now!

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