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Old 05-20-2016, 12:24 PM   #15
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Remember any app that runs on your Cell Phone, iPAD, or other device that utilizes the Cellular Phone network for location, will not work if you do not have Cellular Coverage, for example remote locations.

Location accuracy is based on how many cell towers your device is getting a signal from. If for example you are in the middle of Southern Utah and your device only is receiving a signal from a single tower, your location may be very inaccurate.

Some apps make assumptions if only a single cell tower is available based on a highway your are on, a direction and speed you are going, until another cell tower signal is received. So if it may look like the device/phone is tracking you on a map with a moving icon, when in fact the application is guessing until another cell tower is contacted.

The only reliable location can only be received from a TRUE GPS receiver. A true GPS receiver receives signals from multiple satellites, and triangulates to your exact location.

There are small GPS receivers/radios that will pair with your cell phone or other device, and some mapping applications can be configured to use that GPS for accuracy in the absence of cellular towers.

You may be able to make a cell phone call with a single tower, and not be able to get an accurate physical location.

So just like a GPS which may take you down what looks like a good road, when in fact it is an impassable route without an off-road vehicle, you need to be very cautions and aware of the limitations of the device you are depending on.

I am sure some of you out there have a lot more information, can correct me where I am in error, and identify devices that have both Cellular radios and GPS radios integrated into the same device.

Be safe.
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Old 05-20-2016, 12:26 PM   #16
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One of the things I love about the Pocket Earth app is that it tracks your location in real time, step by step or block by block....no delay, waiting for the system to catch up with where you actually are.

Very helpful if you are directionally challenged.


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Old 05-20-2016, 12:35 PM   #17
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What Map App and why?

It is very true that not all smart phones have a GPS built in. You have to verify that the hardware exists.

I added an external GPS that uses Bluetooth to connect to my iPad. It's an older iPad with no GPS built in.

Without a GPS built in, the cell towers are used, and the phone needs to 'see' at least three for an accurate position. Otherwise it's all guesswork.

We won't get into the GPS coverage dropout issue other than to note that it can happen, and degrade the accuracy or just flat out get lost. It happens.


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Old 05-20-2016, 12:41 PM   #18
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Waze

Waze app is the only way to fly. It gives you current road conditions, like objects in the road, disabled cars, traffic slow down, police etc.. It also gives you alternate routing if there is an accident or construction. More than once it has routed me around accidents on the back roads so that I came out in front of all the backup.

Waze uses updates from people using the Waze app. As you travel, your speed is monitored and uploaded to them. If multiple cars are slow or stopped, this is reported to you on the screen. You can see the backups and avoid them. If they are on your route Waze will look for the best route.

I have my smartphone in a cradle on the left and the Garmin in the center windshield. Waze, 90% of the time, has a better route. Garmin likes to take me on back roads even if I have set the option to use Interstates and avoid back roads. If Waze says turn left and Garmin says right, we go left. Waze has never put me in the middle of a forest and said 'you have arrived at your destination'. Garmin has

I have used Waze for many trips, short and long, over several years. I highly recommend it.
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Old 05-20-2016, 01:13 PM   #19
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Google and Waze

I use Google and Waze. I like Google maps because I can plan out my trip on the Mac and then those links are there when I use Google on my iPhone. As Waze was bought by Google those links are there too. If you're interested in how I use this you can check out this test video about a book I'm about to release called, "Doin' The Southwest Adventure Caravan 2015"

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Old 05-20-2016, 01:13 PM   #20
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We use Co-Pilot. It is used by a lot of truckers. You can enter the dimensions of your rig and it routes you away from tight spots and low clearances. And you can download the maps, so you can at least view the maps when you don't have cellular coverage.
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Maps and GPS

We use ALLSTAYS alot to find campgrounds fuel and food. We use Rand McNally on an iPad Air and like it but the maps are getting stale. We also carry a Garmin and built in enertial nav in silverado. Weaher overlays on Rand Mcnally have saved us from serious tornadic and rain storms several times. Using the internet in motion with these systems get more important in foul wather.
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Apple Maps has been improved. In addition to AM, I use Google Maps, Waze, Google Earth Pro, MapQuest (and probably a few others). I can't say I see any one App as being SIGNIFICANTLY better than any other App. It's probably more important to be aware of an Apps' shortcomings so that you don't get bit in the butt. A BIG shortcoming in many Apps is that often, users can NOT enter important qualifiers (height of vehicle, amount of propane carried etc). The "Routing" feature on RVillage.com tried to route my 12'5" Super-C Class RV onto NY PARKWAYS!
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I loaded Waze. Is it a navigation app and if so, how other than tapping a location, is there a way to enter a destination. I like the option of being able to tap a location without and address but without some additional instructions can't see any advantage. The route, less than 10 miles, it displayed was not a logical route. How far off would it be over hundreds of miles?

At present I use Map Quest. A straight forward app that is easy to load a destination and speaks direction as I go. Google Maps was a bit cumbersome to load a destination and no clear way to start the nav.
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I use a variety of apps.

If I have cell coverage, I use Google Maps as a first choice, Apple maps or another as a additional options.

When travelling, I will not be without City Maps to Go. It does not require cell coverage, you download the maps for where you will be. Particularly when travelling out of regular coverage areas (Europe, $$$ data) it is invaluable. The free version let me load one map for anywhere in the world, to try it. The pay version (a few bucks, I think) lets me download unlimited maps. When we went from BC to California, we downloaded the entire route and always had them to hand. Same for a trip across Italy, and so on. When you download the map for an area, you can choose to include the travel guide or not. If you do, then they use wiki descriptions for any attraction, and you have that stored offline ready to go, linked from the maps.

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app needed

I haven't found one that has every thing I need most don't have grade and evaluation. I try to avoid grades of 5 and -5 or greater. Bing seems to have good directions that can be adjusted with multible stops. I also check the route in google earth for grade and adjust the route when needed. Then I print it and keep a pdf file on a tablet. I'd like to see an app that has a 4 lane preferred setting.
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If you could expand on your reasoning you may have the tie breaker I am interested in. Apple announced today they are opening a office in India and hiring 4,000 employees just to work on maps and surpass Google.
Not sure how to expand other than use more words to say the same thing...I like the route selection that Apple maps makes. It rarely (never?) takes me on a "strange" route, unlike the GM nav system. It is always current, unlike the GM system (which often shows me driving off-road when I'm on relatively new roads). I like the fact I can search for points of interest by name and usually find what I want. You can do this with voice command using Siri, if you like (I'm not a big Siri user.) The voice guidance is good, but I usually don't use it - it can be a little irritating, like all such systems. It has very accurate indication of traffic slowdowns. I find it far easier to program than the nav system built into my GMC. AND, you can program it while driving (copilot can program it, that is...)

I use the GM built in system when I do not have a good data signal for my iPhone or iPad. Wish I had Apple Carplay, but that came to GMC a year after I bought the TV.

The only time I use Google maps now is when I'm using a non-apple computer or mobile device and it's just simpler to get to Google maps...having said that, I'm sure that Google maps is also a good option for a "free", constantly updated navigation system.
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Yes. Apple has made improvements and I gave it another try the other day. The feature that struck my eye first and one I was looking for is the fact that you can cause a voice command to speak again after the initial speaking. Great if you missed the initial command. It also offers a means of pausing the voice command. Another great feature if you know where you are going at that point in the route or want to deviate from the route and not be scolded.

Something new is the ability to change the map orientation from north orientated to navigation orientation.

The only thing I would now like to see is the overview shown in either map format or satellite format
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I loaded Waze. Is it a navigation app and if so, how other than tapping a location, is there a way to enter a destination. I like the option of being able to tap a location without and address but without some additional instructions can't see any advantage. The route, less than 10 miles, it displayed was not a logical route. How far off would it be over hundreds of miles?

At present I use Map Quest. A straight forward app that is easy to load a destination and speaks direction as I go. Google Maps was a bit cumbersome to load a destination and no clear way to start the nav.
On the bottom left should be a small blue icon, like a bubble. Touch it and it will go to a search screen. You can enter your destination or set favorites, like home.

On the bottom right of that same screen is an orange bubble. You can use that to report things as you travel. I don't use this, that's the wife's job since I'm busy driving.

There is a learning curve to using the app, like any good app. It's best to let someone else drive while you learn. You can also go to their web site for more information.
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