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03-01-2010, 12:53 PM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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The relevance of CB as a technology
I have a CB radio that I picked up at a garage sale sitting loose in my TV and I'm trying to decide whether to install it or not. I've mainly found it handy for communications with a leading or following car when traveling together.
Found myself wondering about broader issues and whether this is still a relevant technology given FRS GMRS and cell phones. So, I haven't installed it.
Any opinions?
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03-01-2010, 01:00 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2011 30' Flying Cloud
North Falmouth
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 144
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CB vs FRS and Cell Phones
CB will have a greater range than FRS but you need a good antenna for the CB and most units will run off a cigar lighter outlet. CB works well for communications when on a caravan with a bunch of other trailers. 2 Meter ham radio is much better than CB, however, but you do need an entry level (Technician) license, a moderately expensive radio and work best when wired directly to the vehicle's battery. Morse code is no longer necessary and the exam for Technician is not very trying. Cell phones are subject to coverage and dropped calls and do not work well for group communications on a caravan.
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Dick and Claire Wiklund
North Falmouth, Massachusetts
"Judgement is based on experience and experience is based on poor judgement"
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03-01-2010, 01:12 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1973 27' Overlander
1963 19' Globetrotter
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,259
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I still run a cb,the truckers are traveling traffic reports,everything from wrecks,construction sites,and where Smokey is hiding.Breaker Breaker. Dave
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03-01-2010, 01:32 PM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dick&claire
2 Meter ham radio is much better than CB, however, but you do need an entry level (Technician) license, a moderately expensive radio and work best when wired directly to the vehicle's battery.
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I have the ticket but my friends don't.
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03-01-2010, 01:35 PM
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Rivet Master
San Angelo
, Texas
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,254
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Quote:
Originally Posted by easyride
I still run a cb,the truckers are traveling traffic reports,everything from wrecks,construction sites,and where Smokey is hiding.Breaker Breaker. Dave
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+1...got me out of a 12 mile backup on a highway in Virginia, near Luray Caverns, due to an accident.
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Frederic
1971 Sovereign International - SOLD
2004 F-350 King Ranch
AIR # 8239
EX-WBCCI # 8371
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03-01-2010, 02:24 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1974 29' Ambassador
1976 25' Caravanner
trenton
, Missouri
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 103
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Stingray is right. You can get info and road directions from the truck drivers. Sometimes they know a lot of good shortcuts. Also, nearly every town has a CB nut with a high powered unit who monitors the airways 24/7. I could never figure how they stay up around the clock.These guys are good sources for local info
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03-01-2010, 03:27 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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I've had a CB since obtaining a CDL some years ago. I'm used to the "noise" (objectionable stuff), but for real time info on traffic problems there is no substitute. Many times have I saved more than one half-hour due to being able to exit and take an alternate route. While this is necessary for business, it may not be so for recreational travel.
On the other hand, for practical purposes, I tend to note locations of truck stops as they are a port in a storm: C-store, restaurant, fuel, other services. I lived a half-century in Tornado Alley, and the help of a CB was comforting IF I DID NOT KNOW where to go. I may not be able to outrun a tornado, but I WILL HAVE SOME CHANCE OF KNOWING IT'S WHEREABOUTS due to trucker reports. One may travel in other parts of the country that feature freakish high winds, severe fog, patchy ice, etc.
CB is pretty much a trucker phenomenon. A good CB rig will cost a few hundred dollars to set up correctly. The following is a basic good "business" rig; it will go above $300 once done.
COBRA 29 or UNIDEN 78 (internally identical, I'm told; I prefer Uniden) Best to have a reputable tech tune and verify performance.
TELEX-TURNER "RoadKing" #56 Microphone
WILSON 5000 or COWTOWN "Predator 10K" Antenna
(The best is still the 108" whip, mounted center of vehicle)
(Or, for a fiberglass vehicle, investigate a No Ground Plane Antenna)
BELDEN Coaxial Cable with pro install of PL259 connectors (or better)
Triple Magnet Antenna Mount (roof center), or, permanent installation
The radio should have a secure, permanent mount, and the microphone should be easily accessible, but not block vision; should not come loose and fall; should be mounted that the hand using it still allows the other to "drive" (in all its permutations). I tend to mount mine near or from the ceiling with a GEARKEEPER attached to a ring, away from drivers head.
(I only use rig on road trips, and store it in a sturdy zip bag otherwise; with spare fuses, etc)
Power should be drawn from the battery, and proper grounds (bonding) installed.
http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2005/08-024...R INSTALLATION
"Receive" trumps "transmit" so the extra work involved for installation is about clean, clear power without interference. A low Standing Wave Ratio must be established.
Radio toys (noisemakers) are irritants, avoid them.
A well-sorted rig will transmit/receive more than 3-miles during the day, above 5-miles at night or in rural areas. (I have done, and do, much better than this).
You'll note that truckers "speak" in terms of Exit Numbers; the "hammer lane" is Lane One (inside lane, fast lane); "chicken coops" are state inspection stations,, etc, etc.
There won't be a lot of talk in rural areas where the speed limit is 70 mph, except for the prevalence of police, construction zones or very bad accidents. Bad weather will bring out more info.
Understand that the radio is one place where a truck driver can vent frustration and be able to expect understanding (though, with only some relative support). There are fools and worse on the radio. This is not a "PC" zone.
Metro areas make them (CB's) about worthless, BUT the approaches to metro areas are another matter as one CAN plan to use an alternative route if an accident has shut one or more lanes.
I find that the time and trouble are worthwhile. I use an earbud that my wife is not disturbed. An external speaker mounted on the dash, firing off the windshield, will make most drivers intelligible. (I think there are about [7] truck drivers out there: personality, dialect, etc. It's uncanny at times).
I would no more be without a properly equipped, installed and operating Citizens Band Radio than I would be without a quality flashlight. When you need it, you need it. And when you don't, you'll appreciate much of what you hear on several levels.
CB SLANG
CB Slang Dictionary
Late night driving can bring out all kinds of stuff . .
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03-01-2010, 03:58 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
Huntsville
, Alabama
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,018
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Cell phone towers are not necessarily ubiquitous
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammer
I have a CB radio ... I've mainly found it handy for communications with a leading or following car when traveling together.
Found myself wondering [if this is] still a relevant technology given FRS GMRS and cell phones...
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I bought a hand-held CB radio in the early nineties to keep up with my buddies on river cruises in my boat.
My Airstream has a state-of-the-art, mounted CB radio because the previous owner installed a phenomenal CB antenna, and the CB purchased for the effort had a Weather Band that appreciated his effort.
To be honest, it would simply stupefy me if I were to ever TX on the Airstream's base station. Since we have small children, I quit carrying the hand-held in the Suburban because of too much trash talk in general.
But the CB radio is another means of requesting emergency help.
Tom
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03-01-2010, 04:32 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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There are still places with poor-to-none cell phone coverage. Do a turn-around in Laredo, headin' north on US-83 towards Wyoming and one will wish two things:
That I had installed a WILSON CELL PHONE Repeater/Amplifier with Antenna;
And a first rate CB installation.
'cause this ol' bockety air-ride seat and diesel whine ain't enough company, not late at night when -- as a tagged member of the aboveground legal economy I'm bein' passed by vehicles likely from the grey and black economy . . and AM 960 out of San Angelo is fadin' fast on 277 before I hit Sweetwater. I'm glad to hear the commercial CB traffic on Interstate 20.
Granted, the HAM setups are best. But there's a learning curve to gettin' there. All of them (FMRS, CB, Cellular, 2-Meter) are the way to go. Communications trumps the flat screen TV.
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03-02-2010, 09:49 AM
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Rivet Master
San Angelo
, Texas
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,254
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REDNAX
.... and AM 960 out of San Angelo is fadin' fast on 277 before I hit Sweetwater. I'm glad to hear the commercial CB traffic on Interstate 20...
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Ain't that the truth!
One of the best CB shops I've been to is Clay's Radio Shop, previously off of I-20, going towards Dallas, from Abilene...they are now at 220 Ft. Worth Hwy. Suite 200A, in Weatherford. They installed CBs in my 1972 Suburban, 2000 Blazer, 2005 2500 Ram and, when I get the time to get up there, I'm going to have them tweak the system on our King Ranch....we have dual Firestiks hooked up to a Cobra 29WXNWST and they're not tuned right.
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Frederic
1971 Sovereign International - SOLD
2004 F-350 King Ranch
AIR # 8239
EX-WBCCI # 8371
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03-02-2010, 08:37 PM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Classic
N/A
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,809
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StingrayL82
Ain't that the truth!
One of the best CB shops I've been to is Clay's Radio Shop, previously off of I-20, going towards Dallas, from Abilene...they are now at 220 Ft. Worth Hwy. Suite 200A, in Weatherford. They installed CBs in my 1972 Suburban, 2000 Blazer, 2005 2500 Ram and, when I get the time to get up there, I'm going to have them tweak the system on our King Ranch....we have dual Firestiks hooked up to a Cobra 29WXNWST and they're not tuned right.
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I called them about a month ago and they told me they don't do installs anymore. You might want to check before heading to their shop. If you find out different, please let me know, because I want to have one professionally installed and tweeked.
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03-02-2010, 08:58 PM
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Rivet Master
1995 25' Excella
1961 26' Overlander
1982 34' Limited
Albuquerque
, New Mexico
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 740
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammer
I have a CB radio that I picked up at a garage sale sitting loose in my TV and I'm trying to decide whether to install it or not. I've mainly found it handy for communications with a leading or following car when traveling together.
Found myself wondering about broader issues and whether this is still a relevant technology given FRS GMRS and cell phones. So, I haven't installed it.
Any opinions?
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Cell phones are great if you want to talk to "a person" and have a signal. However a CB is best for talking to the neighborhood for local info, traffic reports, keep awake joke telling etc. CB radios are better than FMS or GMRS for 2 reasons, they accept external antennas which are needed for getting a signal back past your own Airstream to talk to anyone behind you and secondly they frequently have a power cable to plug into your cigarette lighter socket for extended operations.
Ham radios are more capable for those that have them. APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) has nice capabilities for groups similarly equipped.
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Airstream25
KE5CKG on 2 meters
AIR #10274
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03-02-2010, 09:28 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 28' Ambassador
Morada
, California
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,584
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Some old CB ramblings...
Out of high school in the early 60's, several buddies & I had portable CB rigs in our cars - CB was in it's infancy in those 'early' days, and we all had tube-type transceivers.
I had a Ratheon CB with five selectable channels using separate crystals tuned to the five separate frequencies - mounted in my 61 Austin Healy, bug-eyed Sprite English sports car - hot stuff in those days...
In those early CB days, there were very few radios and fewer regular users 'on-the-air' so there was virtually no 'noise' or interference during most transmissions - you could usually pick up your buddy's broadcast's (line-of-sight) without any problems...
In December of probably 62', one of my buddies and I went up to Yosemite to camp for a few days in the valley - burrrrrrr - but we were young and 'crazy' in those days....
We'd set up a couple of QSL times to try and talk to our friends back in the SF Bay area, up in the hills above San Carlos - One night, I drove up to Glacier Point to get as high as possible, attached my 108" whip, cranked up the Ratheon, and made contact about 150 air miles away!!
Like I said, the 'air' was quiet in those days, and I suspect you couldn't do that today with a 'legal' CB radio, with all the background 'noise' one has to try and cut through these days...
I've had a CB around in several of my vehicles since those days...they are great, as others have said, when on the road to get local info and assistance...
Ray
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03-03-2010, 06:11 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StingrayL82
Ain't that the truth!
One of the best CB shops I've been to is Clay's Radio Shop, previously off of I-20, going towards Dallas, from Abilene...they are now at 220 Ft. Worth Hwy. Suite 200A, in Weatherford. They installed CBs in my 1972 Suburban, 2000 Blazer, 2005 2500 Ram and, when I get the time to get up there, I'm going to have them tweak the system on our King Ranch....we have dual Firestiks hooked up to a Cobra 29WXNWST and they're not tuned right.
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Yeah, I started using them in the '90's, but (a big one) Clay got away from doing the bench work . . . and some of his tech's moved farther out to another location. I quit using Clay's after 2004. Next time, I'll head to the other guys:
" . . Danny and a couple others are [the techs] "WHO PUT CLAYS ON THE MAP"
Clay got a bit greedy and the end result was Ranger Hill CB Shop!
Great guys to do buisness with at a fair price.
I/20 West, exit #349 behind Loves".
As to the antennas, lose 'em. Go for a single, properly mounted. Duals need 108" between them to function.
A stakebed mount, behind passenger side, is best easy spot for a single (unless you want the best to center: BREEDLOVE; bed mount, q-disconnect; foldover)
PRODUCTS
2/3 of antenna needs to be above cab. I'd go with a PREDATOR 10K optimized for length if performance really counts.
http://www.predatorantennas.com/
http://www.radioactiveradios.com/pro...xpertscoax.php
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03-03-2010, 06:42 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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as high as possible, attached my 108" whip, cranked up the Ratheon, and made contact about 150 air miles away!!
Like I said, the 'air' was quiet in those days, and I suspect you couldn't do that today with a 'legal' CB radio, with all the background 'noise' one has to try and cut through these days...
I've heard this from number of oldtimers. Nowadays we have to chase our tails for clean, noise-free power and be mind-numbingly perfectionistic about vehicle-bonding.
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03-03-2010, 04:00 PM
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Rivet Master
San Angelo
, Texas
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,254
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Atmospheric skip helps too. I was on I-70 passing through Hays, Kansas one night in 2003, and was able to talk to a trucker in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
I was talked to a guy in Missouri once, when I was in high school, in Maryland.
I'll have to check out Ranger Hill CB Shop, when I get up there. The dual Firestiks look pretty sharp on my hauler bed...it'd be a shame to ditch one.
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Frederic
1971 Sovereign International - SOLD
2004 F-350 King Ranch
AIR # 8239
EX-WBCCI # 8371
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03-03-2010, 05:53 PM
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30' 1999 Excella
Kingwood
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2005
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In college in the late 70's I put a CB in my Triumph Spitfire and mounted a whip antenna on the back bumper. It looked like a remote control toy car! After a big snowstorm (lake-effect in northern Indiana) the only part of the car I could find was the antenna!
I actually applied for (and received) a license to operate it. I still remember the call sign and use it as my most-secret password.
Now I have a hand-held with a magnetic-mount roof antenna. I'm really surprised at how little chatter there is on the road compared the 70's - and its a lot trashier now.
I'm also surprised at how few RV'rs have CBs - let alone Airstreamers.
Just my 2 bits.
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03-04-2010, 01:55 PM
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Rivet Master
1995 30' Excella
Bowie
, Maryland
Join Date: Apr 2005
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I have a CB in my B-van. I rarely turn it on. I used to use CBs a lot, but in recent years there have been far more jerks (well, I could use much stronger words) on them. I get tired of the stupidity pretty quickly and shut it off.
Funny story: a couple years back I was on the PA Turnpike when a cop rolled by. One of the truckers said something like, "Why don't you just pull off and get some coffee so we can all get going?" The cop replied, "You worry about your ****ing job and I'll worry about mine." Score one for the PA State Police!
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1995 Airstream Classic 30' Excella 1000
2014 Ram 2500 Crew Cab with Cummins 6.7L Diesel
Sold but not forgotten: 1991 Airstream B190
Sold: 2006 F-250 6.0L Powerstroke Supercab
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03-04-2010, 03:09 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1973 27' Overlander
Southport (Panama City)
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2006
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I have messed around with CB's since the seventies and still have a couple when traveling I always have one cant hurt cell phones dont work everywhere.. I give a thumbs up for the Cobra 29 LTD Classic thats what I have and a Wilson 5000 magent mount antenna . I to also have a CB licience from the seventies dont use it as a password though...SAM
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03-04-2010, 03:47 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' International CCD
Fleetwood
, North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 687
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CB and Ham both
Stuck four hours on I-95 southbound for two overturned trucks. No amateur radio operators we talked to were aware of the situation. But we picked up the northbound truckers' CB talk and one of these said, as he drove by, "That's gonna take four hours to clear up". He was dead-on accurate.
So it helps sometimes to hear what's going on from the highway professionals, these guys in the big trucks.
We cannot always reach a ham (an amateur radio operator) when we're mobile but we often do, and have met some nice folks all over North America on the mobile ham radio. The mobile ham radio has a lot more range than the CB does (e.g., >50 miles simplex conversation driving up I-5 north, an hour or two south of Shasta, and regularly get 30 to 50 mile contacts with repeaters).
And if we need help and can't raise anyone with uhf or vhf, we can use the hf rig in the trailer. The contact we make may be 600 or more miles away, but they will help us connect with the needed contact.
We highly recommend CB radio for road news and are glad we have amateur radio for good connections.
Jim
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