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Old 02-01-2006, 05:00 PM   #43
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Finally, the last time I heard any statistics, Apple had 5% of the market share for personal computers. Does anyone know the current share?

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The last time I heard it was the same. But that was a few years ago. One thing that no one takes into account however is that Apple is a machine and a software; while Windows is just a software run on different brands of PC. (Dell, HP, etc.)

Of course now Apple has iPod, so if you figure that in, well, 'nuf said.
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:22 PM   #45
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Also, I'm curious what difference market share makes? .....

.....Hanging on to obsolete products is interesting too. Creative exited the MP3 market on September 30, 2005. Try an iPod, which has more compatibility with audio formats than any other player.
Apple's market share has always been low. I'm wondering if their share has picked up with their improvements in compatability and networking.

Creative MP3 players are hardly obsolete. The iPod may be hot right now but there are several better players on the market. The creative Zen series is one of them.

iPod has more audio format compatability??? NOT an accurate statement! It doesn't play WMA files and it's not compatable with Napster.

Battery life??
iPod = 8 hours fully charged
Zen = 24 hours (32 hours at 48kbps)

iPods popularity isn't based on the quality of the technology - it's slick marketing and a hot fad with the under 20 generation.
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Apple Market Share

this is from osxfaq.com

"Speaking of market share, Apple apparently has 7 percent of the laptop market, according to IDC, which is at least more than the company's share in the overall market. That is, if you believe all of the folks who say they keep track of this stuff."
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:29 PM   #47
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Creative MP3 players are hardly obsolete. The iPod may be hot right now but there are several better players on the market. The creative Zen series is one of them.

iPod has more audio format compatability??? NOT an accurate statement! It doesn't play WMA files and it's not compatable with Napster.

iPods popularity isn't based on the quality of the technology - it's slick marketing and a hot fad with the under 20 generation.

As a member of the over 60 generation, I'm quite pleased with my 3 iPods. Some of us geezers care about quality and recognize it in Apple.

iPod Audio & Video formats:

Audio formats supported: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4), Apple Lossless, AIFF and WAV

Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats

One might reasonably ask why other players aren't compatible with the audio standard of MPEG 4, like Apple is. Why insist that WMA is so special? The incompatibilities revolve around digital rights management.

Any bets on how long Napster will survive? Will it outlast Real? That would be a bet on two sick ponies.


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Creative's Zen Vision:M green with Apple iPod envy

Friday, December 09, 2005 - 03:32 PM EST

"What's black, white and green with iPod envy? The Zen Vision:M, a familiar-looking video player announced by Creative Technology. The similarly styled and priced device will compete directly with Apple Computer's video iPod for a spot on every technophile's holiday wish list. Creative plans to put the Vision:M up for sale this month, and with less than three weeks left in the shopping season, that makes the device a tough sell. 'They're extremely late,' says Tim Bajarin, analyst with market research firm Creative Strategies, which is unaffiliated with Creative. 'In this stage of the game, I'm skeptical this product will give them enough revenue to impact the bottom line for their next quarter... Though Creative is a worthy competitor, I think Vision:M will have zero impact on Apple,'" Rachel Rosmarin reports for Forbes.

Rosmarin reports, "Creative CEO Sim Wong Hoo denied that his company copied the device's design from Apple, telling the BBC in London that Creative had been planning the new player's design for more than a year. Apple's video iPod has been on the market for only two months. Hoo has a history of making loud claims about competing with Apple in the MP3-player space. In August, Creative won a U.S. patent for an MP3-player interface involving the way multiple screens are used to navigate through songs. Hoo told the BBC that he plans to pursue this patent aggressively. In November 2004, he famously announced that his company's products would outsell Apple's with the help of an expensive marketing campaign. 'He's a colorful guy,' says Bajarin about Hoo. 'But since what he says sometimes doesn't happen, it impacts our ability to see him as truly credible.'"
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iPod has more audio format compatability??? NOT an accurate statement! It doesn't play WMA files and it's not compatable with Napster.

Battery life??
iPod = 8 hours fully charged
Zen = 24 hours (32 hours at 48kbps)

iPods popularity isn't based on the quality of the technology - it's slick marketing and a hot fad with the under 20 generation.
I admit, Apple could put a better battery in their iPod, but you can add a comparable battery to the iPod to match the Zen's power capacity. It costs about $30. Also, who listens to audio at 48kbps? The minimum I prefer to listen to is 160kbps in MP3 format (128 in AAC). Classical music or very dynamic music get encoded higher.

As for WMA, it is a CLOSED audio format. WMA support MIGHT be different if Microsoft bothered to release an updated WMP for Macintosh. Instead, they are too interested in keeping people locked into their own OS where the tools are exclusive.

At least Apple now release iTunes/Quicktime concurrently on both platforms.
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I owned an Apple dealership in California for 14 years (1987 - 2001). After 4 years of Apple kicking me in the teeth ... we added PCs to the mix. It was a business decision so we could survive. I was tired of my clients (Doctors, Attorneys, Architects and Engineers) purchasing PCs to run software designed specifically for their profession. Apple was (and still is) shooting blanks in this arena.

Apple makes a fantastic product for the consumer market. For most of us (or the "Rest of Us" ), a Macintosh is probably the better choice. I used to advise my clients to define their goals ... select the software that will help them achieve their goals ... and then purchase the computer. The choice of either Mac of PC was determined by the software. Pretty simple ... pick the right tool for the job.

Now that Apple is switching over to Intel ... this old graphic is once again funny.
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I am the aberration. I had an early Mac, and had nothing but problems with it. Many program I needed were not available for Mac at the time, and I had problems with the machine. I probably got hold of the only lemon they ever built, but it soured me on them for life, even after repairs and re-repairs made it reliable. I now own 3 Dells, 2 desktops and a notebook, and have an old Gateway and a Compaq kicking around. All still function as they were designed to, and I know the systems and am comfortable with them. The Gateway has Win 95 on it, but can still get out on the internet and do what it was built for, just a little slower than the new ones. Of course, using Linux and Mozilla on the newer ones probably helps keep the programming problems down.
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iPods popularity isn't based on the quality of the technology - it's slick marketing and a hot fad with the under 20 generation.
And the over 60 generation. I just got the iPod with Video.
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Old 02-01-2006, 07:32 PM   #52
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As a member of the over 60 generation, I'm quite pleased with my 3 iPods. Some of us geezers care about quality and recognize it in Apple.

iPod Audio & Video formats: ..... etc etc etc
Who said video?? Not me. I have absolutely no interest in watching anything on a 2 inch screen. The rest of it really isn't worth getting into a heated arguement about.

You love your 3 iPods. I love my Zen and my Jukebox.

Isn't life great???!!!
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40% Mac as of this viewing

40% here vs 5-7% of the supposed market? There could be a parallel between PC and Mac and SOB and Airstream. If you ask an SOB trailer owner why the like what they have, they describe functionality, practical, versatility, space, cost, etc. but they never say the love them. People do seek out Airstreams because of the quality, design, character, and that "it" factor. They appreciate what they have and they do seem to love them. The SOB owners cannot understand why you would want a trailer with rounded ceilings and corners that cut into layout, space and storage. That is kind of like saying you don't have the software I need. I bet you take this poll on RV.Net's Trailer forum and you would get the 5-7% Mac.
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And the over 60 generation. I just got the iPod with Video.
... also replying with a big grin... WOW - you must have great eyesight. I'm in the over 50 generation and I don't enjoy looking at anything that small! but... the music that comes out of either unit is great.

I cart mine around everywhere. When I'm in the air I listen to it with a pair of ER6 earbuds. On the ground at home I pump it throughout my house with a Russound A-Bus distributed audio system. Away from home I use a Bose Wave system.

They're pretty versatile. How else can you cart around your entire CD collection in your pocket!!!???? I have almost 300 CDs on mine.
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I love it! Yes and I am using windows firewall to boot! But I don't care because there is nothing on that machine of any value at all - literally. Hell we have already been relayed and my smtp "privledges" were revolked by my ISP, etc... I don't need my ISP's mail service anyway. But 3 years running and still up 24/7.

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I got a grin off this one, only because I am looking to install a VPN here at work and was looking for one of those key fobs that give you a random number because we have the type of users that put usernames and passwords on a stick it note on the side of the CPU.

So, I looked and looked but only found a couple I liked and they ran on Win2003 server. So I emailed the Apple Systems Engineer that is assigned to our account asking if he knew if Win 2003 could read our LDAP directory of users or if he knew of a company that made the software that worked off a Mac.

Well, I get this call about 4 minutes after I hit send. He said:

"I got your email, neat you want to set one of those up. We use cryptocard and it works off OSX. But let me be sure I understand you....you were actually thinking of using a Windows machine as a security device?"

....and I thought to myself for a minute, and said, you know, your're right, what was I thinking!

So when I saw your post about using your PC as your security device.....
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...As for WMA, it is a CLOSED audio format. WMA support MIGHT be different if Microsoft bothered to release an updated WMP for Macintosh. Instead, they are too interested in keeping people locked into their own OS where the tools are exclusive.

At least Apple now release iTunes/Quicktime concurrently on both platforms.
Actually, when I got my Zen I looked very seriously at the iPod - I have nothing against Apple products. What pushed me towards the Zen was price (Apple was a lot more $$$ for the same 20GB capacity. I also liked the 24 hour battery. It was the WMA files that cinched it. I already owned a bunch of WMAs that I wasn't willing to rebuy from iTunes.

Too bad Apple wasn't willing to release its GUI interface during the DOS days. My bet is that a LOT more people would have MACs today
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