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Old 06-15-2010, 06:40 AM   #309
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I switched to Apple power books several years ago and wonder why I waited so long. Bought an ipad wi-fi/3G yesterday and it's amazing. Only problem so far is the lack of AT&T service. However, the number of public wi-fi hot spots is big.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:03 AM   #310
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thinking out of the box

I love digital technology but this is the same discussion since the 80's. Who's going to lock us into buying proprietary software and fee-based services like itunes, ebooks, and navigation by dangling shiney new toys in front of us?

Dedicated hardcore CPU intensive work like science, engineering, financial analysis, CAD design, medicine etc is different story - but most folks using a PC/laptop for personal stuff already spend most of our time using a web browser.

The latest best consumer apps are on the web. Trend now is toward web-based software. So the real user experience is with the web browser and the website design. That is why Apple, Google and Microsoft are still working feverishly to lock us into Safari, Chrome and IE. However there are really good browsers like Firefox and Opera - free and hardware/OS independent.

Personally..... I go out of my way to resist these tech companies' proprietary enticements into what should be open software.

My iPhone was basically a portable web browser hopelessly tied to what Apple wanted to feed me. For the same monthly fee, I replaced it with a plain ole' smartphone and a Verizon broadband card/router that gives us wifi and broadband open web access on all of our laptops and smartphones wherever we go.

For home and travel I'll take Firefox and Open Office running on a cheap, rugged, reliable laptop like a T-series Lenovo, with cheapo XP or free Linux. That way I can use the money instead on wireless broadband, antennas and routers that let me spend more time in the shiny toy Airstream dangled in front of me .

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The latest best consumer apps are on the web. Trend now is toward web-based software. So the real user experience is with the web browser and the website design. That is why Apple, Google and Microsoft are still working feverishly to lock us into Safari, Chrome and IE. However there are really good browsers like Firefox and Opera - free and hardware/OS independent.
... Safari (free, by the way) is not proprietary unless you believe that apps that run on both Windows and Mac OSes are proprietary. Indeed, Webkit, the underlying code of Safari, has been open source since 2005 and is, in fact, the underlying code of Chrome.

As you must also know, with over 200,000 apps on the iPhone/iPad platform, many of the best consumer apps are not on the web. Or, perhaps "best" is in the eye of the beholder, which is more likely.
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Old 06-16-2010, 11:24 AM   #312
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I got my iPad the day it was released. On the following Wednesday, I showed off the magical device to the largest group we've ever had attend an Apple Special Interest Group (SIG) in our adult community. Most had never attended an Apple SIG meeting before. More than half said that they would be purchasing one very soon and one couple planned to go to the Apple store the next day to buy one for each of them, which they did.

Also, I was helping a new-to-Apple iPad owner discover some tricks about using Netflix and the book readers one morning in our clubhouse over coffee when a woman who had purchased an iPhone just a week before came over to watch what we were doing. She had never used an Apple product before but was absolutely ecstatic about her iPhone. Her husband was having coffee with friends outside. After seeing what the iPad could do, she called her husband over to have a look and then both left for the Apple store to buy one. Amazing but true.
We also got our pad on the day it was released (we waited until the 3G came out). they went on sale on Friday 4/30 at 5 PM. By 5:30 we were walking out of the Apple store with one in hand.

Your mention of the Apple sig reminded me of when the Mac first came out in 1984. We were at a presentation that Jobs and the Woz put on for Washington Apple Pi (the DC sig) To get a glimpse of the first Mac in a setting like that was amazing. The thing that disappointed me was that my Apple IIe was only 4 months old and I couldn't justify spending the money on a Mac.
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The thing that disappointed me was that my Apple IIe was only 4 months old and I couldn't justify spending the money on a Mac.
... the 128K model, cost about $3,500 including the dot matrix printer in 1984 even with the academic discount that my wife obtained. That's when $3,500 was real money.

It's astonishing to see how much the price/performance equation has changed over the years. I bought a hard disk drive for my Wang 2200 minicomputer in 1979. It had 10 megabytes of storage capacity, 5 meg fixed and 5 meg removable on a platter about 2 feet in diameter. The drive was so heavy that two people could barely lift it. The price: $30,000!!!! Now, you can buy a terabyte for about $250. That is 100,000 times as much capacity for less than 1% of the 1979 price. Truly amazing.
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....I couldn't justify spending the money ....
You need to get over that. I got over it long ago- it is very freeing.






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I'm over it now but at that time I was still in graduate school.
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Everytime Apple releases a new product I somehow end up in the store with glazed eyes and my debit card in hand and almost without words hand it over. I never get apple care, because they will release a new model before the warranty would ever be needed. I'll be picking up my 5th Iphone on the 24th. Still trying to find a legit excuse for having a 64gb Ipad, and am typing this reply on a 24" Imac. The design of their products alone is worth the money. PCs miss the boat completely.

I provide Dell computers to all my clients because of logistical reasons, and hey, it keeps the work coming in.
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It's been my experience that among crowds of people, the more computer-savvy the crowd is, the higher the proportion of Macs. I was mostly a Mac user around System 7 time, then went to PCs. Now I have to be trilingual; my usual portable machine is a Mac but there's a PC on the desk mainly because the Mac version of Quickbooks is so far behind the PC one. But frankly I use Linux most often, usually the xfce version of Ubuntu on a portable, or CentOS on servers. Generally I have found that the Mac hardware is much better engineered than the average PC from hp/Compaq/Dell etc. But the bottom line is to find the computer that runs the software you like best.
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It's been my experience that among crowds of people, the more computer-savvy the crowd is, the higher the proportion of Macs. I was mostly a Mac user around System 7 time, then went to PCs. Now I have to be trilingual; my usual portable machine is a Mac but there's a PC on the desk mainly because the Mac version of Quickbooks is so far behind the PC one. But frankly I use Linux most often, usually the xfce version of Ubuntu on a portable, or CentOS on servers. Generally I have found that the Mac hardware is much better engineered than the average PC from hp/Compaq/Dell etc. But the bottom line is to find the computer that runs the software you like best.
... run all three OSes on the same Mac?
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I'll be picking up my 5th Iphone on the 24th.
How did you get through the maze? I tried over a dozen times on the 15th and never got past the errors, timeout conditions, etc. The lines were so overloaded. Even so Apple says that they took 600,000 preorders, which is 10 times more than they got last year with the release of the 3GS iPhone.

Didn't they anticipate the lust that the new iPhone evokes? No it looks like I'll have to wait until sometime in July to get mine. Bummer.
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I'll be picking up my 5th Iphone on the 24th.

Next time you buy an I phone ask an Apple rep about the "lifetime limit". I was once told an individual has a lifetime limit of ten I Phone purchases.

I am sure that is to keep someone from buying and reselling (or jailbreaking) phones for profit. Interesting, but when they get enough generations out in the marketplace they will probably change that.

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Next time you buy an I phone ask an Apple rep about the "lifetime limit". I was once told an individual has a lifetime limit of ten I Phone purchases.

I am sure that is to keep someone from buying and reselling (or jailbreaking) phones for profit. Interesting, but when they get enough generations out in the marketplace they will probably change that.

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...based on the number of purchases of the same model or version. From time to time, Apple has limited the number of purchases of iPhones at the same time so as to limit resales via Ebay, for example. I suspect Apple is quite happy to have people upgraded models of its products over time. They just don't want to have a black market in high-demand items when they are released. Makes sense to me.
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Thanks for the tip Cam - however - I'm the last of the hand drawing/drafting generation. The last years that I was gainfully employed in architecture were spent in management and policy development. When I designed our house I sketched it all out by hand (to scale) and turned it over to a draftsman to do the contract drawings.

Lately I've been doing some drawing on Illustrator. Adobe has some really cool graphics software.

I started draughting before computers really came onto the scene. We never had computers at university and it was several years before I worked at an office that used them. Most offices that were computerized ran Autocad, but a few were out there that ran on macs and used minicad (the precursor to vectorworks). Now that I've given up my PC's, I've switched to Vectorworks and am enjoying it. I'm just starting out and learning, so it will be a while before this software becomes 'second nature' like Autocad. Still do all my design by hand though. I'd be lost without pen and paper. Next up is to learn sketch up.
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