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Old 02-01-2006, 10:46 AM   #21
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This is kind of like asking if you like Republicans or Democrats better -- generally whichever you consider yourself is what you like best (this avoids cognitive dissonance) In the computer both the PC and the Mac have advantages and disadvantages. However, its usually the one you own that you like best. There are reasons why ~85% of the market is owned by PC's and there are reasons Mac users continue to buy and love their Macs!
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Old 02-01-2006, 11:09 AM   #22
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I use a Dual G5 Mac with two 200 GB hard drives at home [large photo collection], and two large external hard drives for more storage. I use a G4 17" PowerBook on the road with the Airstream. For portability I use a small mobile hard drive [100 GB] for backup and extra photo storage. This year we will also take along an Elgato EyeTV unit so we can watch TV on the computer or on the larger flat panel monitor. I use .mac to back up essentials at home and away, and I use the Firewire Target Mode and/or iSync to keep my computers essentially the same.

Forty years ago I had a camera bag with two Nikon backs, a half dozen lenses, filters, cans of 35mm film, a small tripod, etc. [all of which my dear wife lugged around for me so I could take the pictures] that weighed 20+ lbs. Now all my camera gear fits in a miniature bag that weighs 410 grams [about 14.5 oz.], and that added to the bag I carry all my portable computer stuff in still weighs less than just the old camera bag full. And my wife still [much more happily] holds my little bag of camera gear while I scan the location for good pix. Then we can go back to the AS and look at the pictures on the computer. [No film cans, no Kodak developer, no boxes and trays of slides, no glass beaded portable screen, no projecter. . . what a relief.] What fun!
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I don’t think it’s that simple, Gizzy.

It’s pretty much accepted that the Apple decision to keep their system proprietary meant they ended up with 10% of the world’s computers.

Pundits used to criticize Apple for this. They forgot that Apple had 10% of the big pie; the rest was being eaten by maybe a 100 players.

This decision also meant that much of the software and most of the viruses and spy ware were developed for the bigger 90% market.

Because of volume and competition PC’s are cheaper and more numerous but not necessarily better.

When you read back on this thread you will see that most of the people use or have experience with both systems - but overwhelmingly prefer the logical simplicity and power of the Apple.

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According to the FBI...

FBI: Viruses, spyware, other computer-related crimes cost U.S. businesses $67.2 billion per year

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:08 AM EST

The new 2005 FBI Computer Crime Survey is the FBI's largest survey on such issues to date. The survey—developed and analyzed with the help of leading public and private authorities on cyber security—is based on responses from a cross-section of more than 2,000 public and private organizations in four states.

Among the key findings:
• Frequency of attacks. Nearly nine out of 10 organizations experienced computer security incidents in a year's time; 20% of them indicated they had experienced 20 or more attacks.
• Types of attacks. Viruses (83.7%) and spyware (79.5%) headed the list. More than one in five organizations said they experienced port scans and network or data sabotage.
• Financial impact. Over 64% of the respondents incurred a loss. Viruses and worms cost the most, accounting for $12 million of the $32 million in total losses.
• Sources of the attacks. They came from 36 different countries. The U.S. (26.1%) and China (23.9%) were the source of over half of the intrusion attempts, though masking technologies make it difficult to get an accurate reading.
• Defenses. Most said they installed new security updates and software following incidents, but advanced security techniques such as biometrics (4%) and smart cards (7%) were used infrequently. In addition, 44% reported intrusions from within their own organizations, suggesting the need for strong internal controls.
• Reporting. Just 9% said they reported incidents to law enforcement, believing the infractions were not illegal or that there was little law enforcement could or would do. Of those reporting, however, 91% were satisfied with law enforcement's response. And 81% said they'd report future incidents to the FBI or other law enforcement agencies. Many also said they were unaware of InfraGard, a joint FBI/private sector initiative that battles computer crimes and other threats through information sharing.
• Bruce Verduyn—a special agent in Houston's Cyber Squad, which administered the survey-said that this new survey differs from the annual CSI/FBI Computer Crime and Security Survey conducted by the Computer Security Institute and the FBI. "We surveyed about three times as many organizations and focused more on new technologies, where attacks originated, and how organizations responded," he said.

Agent Verduyn believes the survey is a clear sign of the urgent need for vigilance against both internal and external cyber assaults. Frank Abagnale, security consultant and subject of the movie "Catch Me If You Can," echoed those comments, saying: "Every company, both large and small, should study this survey and use the data as the basis for making changes. Those who ignore it do so at their peril."

Source: United States of America Federal Bureau of Investigation.

"When extrapolating the survey results to estimate the national cost, the FBI reduced the estimated number of affected organizations from 64 percent to a more conservative 20 percent," Joris Evers reports for CNET News. "'This would be 2.8 million U.S. organizations experiencing at least one computer security incident,' according to the 2005 FBI Computer Crime Survey. 'With each of these 2.8 million organizations incurring a $24,000 average loss, this would total $67.2 billion per year.'"

"These figures do not include much of the staff, technology, time and software employed to prevent security incidents, Verduyn said. Also, losses to individuals who are victims of computer crime or victims in other countries are not included, he said," Evers reports.

By the way, the FBI uses Apple Mac OS X machines whenever possible according to SecurityFocus.

MacDailyNews Take: Apple's Mac OS X has had zero viruses and no known spyware for over five years and counting. Mac-based businesses have a massive competitive advantage on Windows-based businesses. Apple offers a complete line of award-winning systems, software and support to help your business save on computer downtime and costs, increase business productivity — and turn your goals into reality. Benefit from the enhanced security and stability of the latest Mac operating system, Mac OS X “Tiger.” Did you know that everything you need to run your business works on a Mac, including Microsoft Word, Excel and Powerpoint, Intuit’s Quickbooks, MYOB, HP printers and scanners, and the world’s most widely used database, FileMaker Pro?

And when you need an easy-to-use, secure and powerful server solution, look to Mac OS X Server and the Apple Xserve. With an intuitive interface for quick setup and administration, you can quickly manage shared files or printers, or centralize your storage and backup. And Mac OS X Server is built on standards-based technology, allowing your business to collaborate, share and protect your company’s computing assets across multiple computing environments.

Apple computers are designed to be interoperable and work seamlessly with your Windows-based systems. With Mac OS X, Mac and Windows computers can easily share the same network, files, and peripherals. In managed networks, Mac and Windows systems can connect to the same file, print, mail, web, and directory servers, and Macintosh computers can be used with Active Directory, Exchange mail servers, and Microsoft’s VPN server. In addition, Apple computers support wireless connectivity based on industry-standard 802.11g Wi-Fi, giving you instant connectivity on the road.
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A good movie on the subject of Macs and PCs is Pirates of Silicon Valley. It shows how Apple started, shows how Xerox gave the technology away, and how Bill Gates as he is best known for, taking (or buying) something someone else did and selling it. It also shows what an egomaniac Steve Jobs was as a kid.

Either way, as has been pointed out, the Mac may not have as much of the marketshare that the PCs do, but I love thie quote:

"Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."
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Old 02-01-2006, 01:02 PM   #26
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Why PC?

It is very simple. I work in a large corporation where there are thousands and thousands of PCs and one one every desk. Most people I know are ambivalent about computers but they know they are getting essential for email, taxes, online banking, internet shopping, research, etc. Result. They buy what they know at work. The Web is pretty much an equalizer in use. It is simpler for them. They also stay mystified and none of them express any joy at using their computers except for the geek types who love challenges. I hear there could be a new challenge February 3rd.

Notice, not many have expressed joy of using a PC here?
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I use both, but have a preference...

It's funny the things that really get my blood pumping. Whenever we got ready to go climbing my hands would get warm, and the excitement would build. Getting ready for a big trip, the same thing. And when I see a "Windows or Mac" question I get all excited too.

I've got both Windows & Mac. I've been a Windows network administrator, a unix admin, dealt with wireless networks, etc. From 95-2002 I was a Windows person for sure. Then I tried an OSX system. The stability of Unix in a friendly package!

Both systems have their place for my work. But I discovered something recently. My Mac is not as challenging. When I do something with my Mac, it works. When I test new equipment on my Windows system I find myself playing the "technical challenge game". Since I've spent more time on a Mac these past few years I'd forgotten the excitement I felt when I actually got something to work on Windows. Recent experience has reminded me of that. I almost felt like my skill set had dulled because of my Mac use. No technical challenges, stuff just always worked!

I will say, there are some things that Windows still offers. I've found the slickest media center software is still a Windows thing. But that's changing. In the end, I still need both until a GIS program is available for Mac.

Both platforms work, and each has their place. Personally, I'm a happier guy when using my Mac. No cursing when using it, except when I'm paying my bills on line!
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You know, I've noticed that Mac users and Airstreamers tend to go hand in hand. Must be that the Apple logo is silver.
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I used a Mac for a few months in 2001. Otherwise I have been Windows since 1990.

I have bought Apple stock (AAPL) from time to time, most recently In late 2002. So I really appreciate all you MAC and iPod users.
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Mac G4 powerbook here. I would love to have a house again just so I could get an IMac.

We got tired of the blue screens about 2 years ago and changed over. Wont ever go back.
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I used a Mac for a few months in 2001. Otherwise I have been Windows since 1990.
I have bought Apple stock (AAPL) from time to time. So I really appreciate all you MAC and iPod users.
i too benefit from the apple user cult and the windows drones......buying the stock of jobs and gates has been more trouble free that any of the cypher boxes.

the folks selling picks and shovels did much better than the prospectors....and still do.

i still have a letter (somewhere) sent out from mcsoft to the very early windows users....describing how/why the 'next' version was gonna be better than any thing from the other guys.....it was funny then and still is....the letter was signed by a windows project manager named robert macintosh....but signed "r. macintosh"....say it out loud......

every 2 years i consider buying a new mac.....they just look so cool....but then i review all of the software i use......no music, no production video....

taxcut, garmin, polar heart rate, and 4-5 other vital pieces of financial software, travel software, mapping and so, on no longer have mac versions....

so select the hardware base on your software needs/usage....

i know there are "work arounds" for the mac.......but isn't NOT using a work around the point?

so, i keep trying to do mac, but every two years i have that much more stuff saved in another form.

twinkie often notes a correlation between a/s and mac but i think one 'sees' what one 'thinks'.... and i suggest that the vast majority of travel trailer owners use a pc or big chief tablet.....

i'm not a techie but as an educator had lots of mac interactions and liked them....often using one for several days to play.....but then when work was the goal...pc was the tool. and while mac plays claims the education market.....in medical school education/research pcs are about 10/1 depending on application.

fear of system failure.....i'm conservative about this maybe.....but i have never had one bug on any pc in....18 years. not one virus ever and no system crashes in 5 years...... of course there is that 3rd world worm about to hatch on the 3rd of feb.....

the poll is proof (like most of them here) it takes a village to write/edit/review/test/edit/launch before the poll is proper.......

this one should include the choices 'both' or 'neither' and ....

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OK all you MAC lovers.... I have a couple of questions...

I started with an AppleIIE. I loved it. Then I got a MAC LC. I loved it even more. I eventually went to a PC because of file and networking compatability problems. This was in the mid 90s. Ten years later I'm still using PCs. But... in those 10 years I can't tell you how many problems I've had.

I've always known that MACs are superior machine ever since I saw Steve Jobs and others unveil the MAC to the Washington DC market in 1984. I could easily be swayed to go back to a MAC... maybe...

How compatable are they with data exchange and file formats?

Can I network PCs and MACs? (we currently have 4 computers)?

Will MACs read the data that I have on my Sandisk Cruzer drives?

Can I use my Creative MP3 players with them?

etc etc etc

If the answers are right, I could EASILY be convinced to get a MAC for my next computer.

Finally, the last time I heard any statistics, Apple had 5% of the market share for personal computers. Does anyone know the current share?

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No, I was just trying to set up an airport express as a range extender so that I can use the laptop(s) in the back room. What I find difficult was that the process is not very intuitive. It took 2 days to figure it out. long story short, the documentation was not very good. I just find networking the PC more simple. But that is just me and may really only reflect my ability to adapt or look at the problem from a different prospective.

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You're kidding right? Networking the Mac fleet I manage at work and use at home is a snap. You doin' it manually or with DHCP?

I did something really cool this past weekend. My wife's parents have a graphite G3 running 10.3.9 connected to a broadband connection. They had some issues and from 300 miles away, I used Apple Remote Desktop, connected to the Mac via the Internet like I was sitting in front of it and solved the issue, which wasn't an OS issue, their niece threw away their copy of Excel...yea, they let her use the machine with their admin account.....

My Apple use started when in 6th grade, they slid an Apple II+ under my snoot.....and I've never owned anything else than an Apple....acutally converted a few folks along the way who were staunch PC users that use to laugh at me.....until they tried it.

I have an Apple II+, IIgs, Mac SE and 7600/200 sitting on the shelf for fun. I have a shoebox full of 5.25s and 3.5s for the Apple IIs that still work.
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How compatable are they with data exchange and file formats?

Can I network PCs and MACs? (we currently have 4 computers)?

Will MACs read the data that I have on my Sandisk Cruzer drives?

Can I use my Creative MP3 players with them?
If you are talking .pdf, .doc, etc, yes they are fully compatible

Yes you can newtwork Mac and PCs on the same network. If you want to share files between them you'd need to turn on filesharing on either the Mac or the PC-- but use caution with file sharing turned on with any machine connected to the Internet, particularly the PC.

If it's a standard USB flash drive, sure. I have a Kangaroo which is similar and it works fine.

As for your MP3, I just don't know on that one.

My advice would be (if possible) to go to an Apple Store near you and bring a few of your toys with you. They let you connect your stuff to the display machines and try it out.
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Jim,

The answers are all yes. I do share files between my pc and mac but there can be some compatability issues. For us, we have to use our PC for the satellite internet system. But that's about all it is used for. The PC provides the firewall and internet connection sharing for the rest of the computers in our house.

I do have a shared folder on the PC that the mac can see so that if I need to send files between, I can. There is software like PCMacLan that somehow let the two play well together but I don't use it.


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OK all you MAC lovers.... I have a couple of questions...

I started with an AppleIIE. I loved it. Then I got a MAC LC. I loved it even more. I eventually went to a PC because of file and networking compatability problems. This was in the mid 90s. Ten years later I'm still using PCs. But... in those 10 years I can't tell you how many problems I've had.

I've always known that MACs are superior machine ever since I saw Steve Jobs and others unveil the MAC to the Washington DC market in 1984. I could easily be swayed to go back to a MAC... maybe...

How compatable are they with data exchange and file formats?

Can I network PCs and MACs? (we currently have 4 computers)?

Will MACs read the data that I have on my Sandisk Cruzer drives?

Can I use my Creative MP3 players with them?

etc etc etc

If the answers are right, I could EASILY be convinced to get a MAC for my next computer.

Finally, the last time I heard any statistics, Apple had 5% of the market share for personal computers. Does anyone know the current share?

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No, I was just trying to set up an airport express as a range extender
I've never used one of those. I picked up an omnidirectional exterior antenna for the ones here at work....picked up another bar doing it (the buildings are made of reinf concrete.

At home, the base station is about 35 feet from where I sit in the Airstream. I have to crank it up to 100% to get a signal going through the aluminum. Outside though with my base station set to 100% power output, I can go nearly 250 feet on the same side of the street, but the houses really block the signal past about 250 and the base station is in the middle of my house about 3 feet off the floor. If I hop over to the other side of the street, I can go nearly 300 feet before I loose a signal with the Airport Extreme (802.11g) with no external antennas. I bet if I put the base station up in the attic, I'd get better distances, but it gets far too hot and cold up there.
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Answers for Jimandrod...

jimandrod,

The answers to your questions are easily found on the internet with just a little searching. You might want to start at www.apple.com.

Also, I'm curious what difference market share makes? Just as people drive different cars or even own different RVs, people purchase different tools including computers made by different manufacturers and having different operating systems.

File formats for most applications people use are compatible across platforms. Major applications have versions that work in both Windows and Mac so cross-grading is simple. Or, on the Mac you don't even need new software because so much is already included including the ability to create PDF files from any application or to create zip files right from the operating system.

Hanging on to obsolete products is interesting too. Creative exited the MP3 market on September 30, 2005. Try an iPod, which has more compatibility with audio formats than any other player.

I don't know when Apple will be opening a store in your neighborhood, but there may be an Apple reseller nearby. Also, there are 3 Apple stores across the border in Arizona.
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The PC provides the firewall and internet connection sharing for the rest of the computers in our house.
I got a grin off this one, only because I am looking to install a VPN here at work and was looking for one of those key fobs that give you a random number because we have the type of users that put usernames and passwords on a stick it note on the side of the CPU.

So, I looked and looked but only found a couple I liked and they ran on Win2003 server. So I emailed the Apple Systems Engineer that is assigned to our account asking if he knew if Win 2003 could read our LDAP directory of users or if he knew of a company that made the software that worked off a Mac.

Well, I get this call about 4 minutes after I hit send. He said:

"I got your email, neat you want to set one of those up. We use cryptocard and it works off OSX. But let me be sure I understand you....you were actually thinking of using a Windows machine as a security device?"

....and I thought to myself for a minute, and said, you know, your're right, what was I thinking!

So when I saw your post about using your PC as your security device.....
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