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Old 07-28-2018, 08:43 AM   #15
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Hi bob - YouTube (and netflix) can run all day long at 600kbs streaming rate which is the rate at which Verizon throttles. I’ve push 40G with Verizon using Netflix. The problem is every other usage (web browsing, uploading photos, gaming, etc.... is slooooow after you hit the ceiling)

Are you sure you speed is not capped at 600kbs (assuming you’re in verzion network - att hotspot speed cap after 15G of data is even slower at 128kbs)?

Have you done a speed test from a laptop after you’ve used 25G or what have you? Now I’m intrigued if you are somehow getting 10 or 20MB d/l speed rates after 15G of data in hotspot mode. Who is your provider?
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:59 AM   #16
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It's an AT&T plan rather than Verizon. We run some 4K video off of YouTube so it's well past a 600K rate. It's not just streaming, there are PC's, tablets and phones involved as well. There's even the massive data load imposed by the Victron Venus ..... probably adds at least a kilobyte a day....

I am indeed enough of a geek to run Speedtest from time to time. The one I just ran shows 17 Mbps down, 13 Mbps up. That's not an unusual result. Obviously it varies a bit depending on how good a signal we get at this or that campground. Checking the AT&T site, we are at 51.8 GB for the month with about a week left. Best guess is that at least 80% of that data went through the single modem in the trailer (which is also what I just tested). ... double checking ..... yes, that is indeed what I just tested.

I'm by no means trying to sell everybody on AT&T, they do have their issues. My only point is that if you are in the eastern part of the country, they are a darn good way to go.

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Old 07-28-2018, 09:22 AM   #17
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Boom. I have been schooled. May I ask what att plan you are on and what dedicated hotspot device you have? Is this a buisness account / hotspot line? You’re not swapping SIM cards with your handset to fool the network / make it think you are using handset data are you?
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Boom. I have been schooled. May I ask what att plan you are on and what dedicated hotspot device you have? Is this a buisness account / hotspot line? You’re not swapping SIM cards with your handset to fool the network / make it think you are using handset data are you?
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It's the stock AT&T "unlimited" plan that they sell pretty much everybody / anybody. The magic device is nothing more than a Netgear modem that they also sell. I don't do any SIM card swapping or other crazy stuff.

The full setup in the trailer:

Wilson cell booster
Netgear modem (from AT&T)
WiFi Ranger talking to the modem
Gear in the trailer all on the WiFi net from the WiFi Ranger

I *do* have a number of devices on the same plan. I also do worry about per device capping . I've got another device in the truck and both phones can run as hotspots. So far, none of that paranoia induced backup inventory has been needed to keep data moving....

The really nutty thing about all this right now: I can literally hit the back feed dish on the campground WiFi with a rock from the door of the trailer. I'd bet we have darn good WiFi here. It's metered and you get 200 MB free every 4 days. I haven't even bothered to hook up to it. With my data usage, it would run for what ... maybe an hour?

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Old 07-28-2018, 10:28 AM   #19
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AT&T *may* throttle your bandwidth on an unlimited data plan

AT&T may throttle your bandwidth when you go over your plan throttling threshold. The reason AT&T may throttle your bandwidth is if the RAN (Radio Access Network) you are connected to is congested. If the RAN is not congested, frankly, AT&T doesn't care how much bandwidth you use, but if it is congested, the congestion has to be managed and your device may be chosen to be throttled.

I have 12 AT&T LTE radios in various devices and I have NEVER seen throttling, even on devices that use 100GB/month. AT&T has built in intelligence about which devices they chose to throttle and likely only throttle the most offending devices.

BTW - I work for AT&T.
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:11 AM   #20
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One (possibly subtle) point - we stream video after the sun goes down and all the bugs come out. That could quite easily be when everybody gets off their cell phones ....

BTW: I don't work for anybody anymore .....

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Old 07-28-2018, 01:40 PM   #21
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AT&T may throttle your bandwidth when you go over your plan throttling threshold. The reason AT&T may throttle your bandwidth is if the RAN (Radio Access Network) you are connected to is congested. If the RAN is not congested, frankly, AT&T doesn't care how much bandwidth you use, but if it is congested, the congestion has to be managed and your device may be chosen to be throttled.



I have 12 AT&T LTE radios in various devices and I have NEVER seen throttling, even on devices that use 100GB/month. AT&T has built in intelligence about which devices they chose to throttle and likely only throttle the most offending devices.



BTW - I work for AT&T.


This is interesting. I got a text the other day from att that my hotspot on my iPhone had exceeded 15G and they would throttle hotspot related activity to 128kbs (ridiculously slow).

So you are saying that if I add a line for a dedicated hotspot device it will be treated like a regular line and only get throttled if network is congested? That would be great.
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Old 07-28-2018, 02:28 PM   #22
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Ok, you made me look

I appear to be paying about $24 a month for the modem gizmo on top of my normal "unlimited" plan.

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Old 07-28-2018, 02:28 PM   #23
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Well well. After speaking with att and with the local store they both confirmed that as of May, you can no longer provision mobile hotspots onto an unlimited plan. They caught on that people were crushing data usage with mobile hotspots and you must select a crappy 10G plan for $50/month if you want to use a mobile hotspot on att network (as of today).

Bummer
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Old 07-28-2018, 02:42 PM   #24
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Well, that's not good news

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Old 07-28-2018, 04:58 PM   #25
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You don't have to pay the high costs of Verizon, AT&T or the other two.

We have to use some sort of hot spot at our house because it is the only practical way to get internet 10 miles out of town and half a mile above it—the exurbs of Grand Junction, Colorado. We used a Verizon dedicated hotspot for several years—basically a cell phone with out the phone. We often had problems with going over or getting nervously close to the limits.

So we started checking out other carriers—they use the big 4's towers and charge less. The TracPhone type companies (mostly owned by Carlos Slim, the Mexican cellphone billionaire) had nothing for us. They seemed only interested in selling phones. Consumer Cellular uses T-Mobile or AT&T and is pretty reasonable, but you don't know what SIM card you'll get. They told me they'd send an AT&T one (it should work at our house), but they sent a useless T-Mobile card. The salesman didn't know what he was talking about, not an unusual problem at Consumer Cellular it appears. Then I only checked out companies using Verizon towers and it boiled down to Credo. We have unlimited data that throttles down at 20 Gigs/phone, so we have a potential for 40. We never come close to that, but the next plan down wasn't enough.

A lot of these companies that lease others' towers don't have much data since the plans seem to be oriented toward seniors who have trouble opening their clamshell phone, so it was quite a effort to find what we wanted. We went from 7 Gb. for data (the hotspot "phone"), a home phone system (another phone system) and one dumb phone to two credible smart phones they were trying to get rid of (Apple 7), unlimited calls, texts and data with the 20 Gb limit. It cost us about $10 more than Verizon for much, much more (I really hate carrying a phone around, but the time had come to join society). Depending on what the OP needs for that Mac, Credo might work. If you download movies, maybe not. Plans change all the time, so you have to keep searching for a while. A Verizon store employee once told me the best Verizon plans were at the end of the month, but whether that it still true I can't say. I can say Verizon will empty your wallet as fast as they can, but they do have the best network, especially in the west.

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I use over 1/2 a terabyte of data over a gig connection with Comcast per month at home - I’m data hungry.

Even for short trips of 5-10 days I easily consume over 100 gigs of wireless data... so a single hotspot plan doesn’t work for me - I rotate across multiple hotspot and hotspot enabled devices to eek out all I can bandwidth wise.

I use both att and Verizon LTE radios / SIM cards in the devices to ensure I always have coverage.

It all depends how much data you need - no silver bullet on the market today for me
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I run somewhere between 300 and 600GB per month when we are at home. I'll peak over that if I get busy.

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Old 07-30-2018, 03:18 PM   #28
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Yet another layer to the onion:

Sitting here with the dogs, watching the world go by at the campground. Not much happening. Up pulls a truck with a Death Star logo on it. Ranger truck pulls by and they head over to one of the campsite "WiFi" setups. AT&T guy hops out and pokes at this and that.

Now I'm wondering if the campsite WiFi is just that, or if it's also a picocell array .... I suppose I *could* have walked all the way over there and asked .... way to much like work .... ... also the risk of "yup, and this little gizmo here keeps failing ... any idea who designed that? .... " ( = all of a sudden *very* much like work)

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