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Old 09-09-2006, 11:20 PM   #29
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Well, I'll go speak with my neighbor and see if they can turn down the music and their wi-fi. Maybe while I'm there, I'll ask if anything of mine is making it over the fence on their side.
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Old 09-11-2006, 01:29 PM   #30
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Isn't this fun...

For the record, I too approached Rich, asked for permission to enjoy his broadcast WiFi down the row at Salem, and was thankful for the opportunity.. Not sure how many others did, but Leipper, Rog and I were trying to be good citizens...

I've followed the "California WiFi Protection Act", and it is an interesting lesson in government... What is says is that roughly a real small number of the estimated 16 Million households and small businesses using WiFi routers they've set up know how to set the security features... (Our home model has 64 character WEP key and disabled broadcast also...). Accordingly, the legislature is mandating a "sticker" on new products and notice to consumers to tell them about security, and mandating that manufacturers make some security the default or make it easier to activate... Doesn't do much for the existing 16 million routers... I give them credit for not attempting to mandate that existing owners read their manuals and turn on the security features.. Many millions of Californians might lose their internet access...

Yes, taking "bandwidth" is inappropriate, though if free and unsecured and broadcast into public spaces, an argument can be made that the owner was willing to share.. Hacking or eavesdropping or messing with the host's computer and data is clearly over the line into criminal behavior..

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Old 09-11-2006, 02:19 PM   #31
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Wow, the OP asked about places that offer free WiFi and he got a lesson in manners, ethics, and law, all in one thread .

I think when one tells of a "trick" to get free WiFi, it's up to the reader to decide if that's the right course for him/her to take. Having said that, I will only take advantage of free WiFi where it is offered for free and under the conditions that it is offered . That is, when I feel the need to be connected while trying to get away from it all!
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Old 09-11-2006, 02:24 PM   #32
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I guess one more shot at devil's advocate here ... ;-)

Think about the implications of this for your campsite. Do you lock up everything all the time or do you leave your chair out on occasion? Are you meticulous about locking your tow vehicle and trailer and every compartment door and the hitch assembly and propane tanks and so on all the time? How about your wallet, is it always locked up? Yes this is the 'reduce to the absurd' argument but the question is how far to go that way now that you brought it up.
My wallet is not in a public area. If someone goes into my house and used my internet it would be one thing, if someone goes into my vehicle and gets something out they have crossed a line. Now let me ask this, if you are sitting in your car in a parking lot with the stereo turned up loud and I happen to like the same music and stop to listen...is that stealing? Maybe I need to be turned in for not buying the same CD you are listening to? To me if you take reasonable steps to secure something then it is a crime to take advantage of it. If you take no steps, no crime. If I am walking my dog past your house and get water out of the tap attached to you house it is an issue, if my dog drinks water that has ponded in the street because of your leaky tap or sprinkler system it is not an issue. IMHO if I can access your unsecured wireless from a public area it should not be a crime. In the case of Rich's system I think asking would be the right thing to do. It is alittle bit of a different situation. However he could secure it if he chose to.

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hi free signal fighters...

i'm not a fan of any government mandates that attempt to overcome individual laziness, or personally gained ignorance...

perhaps the first batch of folks going wifi were unaware...but come on now...
does anyone now not know about this..
isn't their responibility to understand the most basic issues IF they are gonna buy and use the tool?

for me the issue is much like aaron has described...

the 'expectation of privacy' concept from law...

if i set up a wireless router with 300ft of signal range and a public pathway cuts thought that range...i have no right or expectation for privacy.

if i set up a wireless router with 300ft of range and my property lines are 500 ft outside this range...well then i do have some expectation of privacy...one would need to tresspass to get a signal...

someone standing in the street watching me dance around naked isn't peeping...
coming up to my house, using a ladder or otherwise trying to overcome the basic privacy i establish is the issue...
and usually i pull the curtains before putting on the birthday suit!

buying a wireless router doesn't buy me exclusive use of the airspace...that is why encryption or vpns are an option...these are the curtains and blinds...

now back to this 'asking rich' to use his signal issue...it's rich c right?

rich carpenter had a booster that pulled in the already available wifi signal for on site wbcci users...it wasn't his signal to give away to others...

by this i mean that if someone not registered for the rally asked rich...that would be an issue...

for his paying neighbors....well he just saved them walking closer to the router...

so asking his permission to piggyback wasn't how offical access to the signal was gained...paying for the rally was the ticket.

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Old 09-11-2006, 06:37 PM   #34
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Speaking of wireless..... when we were on vacation last month one of my sons buddies had a Playstation PSP handheld game....It had a built in wireless connection that I was able to log on to Airstream Forums from the condo with to get my fix! Very cool
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Minnie's Mate.. That's what I meant when I commented how much fun this was...

Aaron.. Your response actually passes legal muster as well, since accessing "computers" without permission is restricted, but law on accessing "access to a computer" is still developing...

And 2Air... I hardly know how to respond to the analogy of dancing in your birthday suit, so I shall pass, though the concept of trespass for access being bad is also correct... And (having gotten to know Rich C at Salem and being a great admirer..) his WiFi was coming not from the modest WBCCI setup in the little press room behind the stage... It was coming dirctly from his Verizon Wireless Data card attached to his Apple laptop, and then shared with a repeater for those of us in the back section of Blue 1... He began with password protection, and then graciously removed it to allow his neighbors complimentary access. All those who took their laptops to the fairgrounds press room to use WBCCI WiFi did indeed contribute to the costs through their ticket to the International Rally..

The world might be a better place if our government mandated that we ALL read our instruction manuals every time we gain a new gadget...

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richc....his WiFi was coming dirctly from his Verizon Wireless Data card attached to his Apple laptop, and then shared with a repeater for those of us in the back section of Blue 1... He began with password protection, and then graciously removed it to allow his neighbors complimentary access. John McG
hi john...well thats it then...
clearly i misunderstood what he was doing...even after he explained it to me.

that also explains why the linksys thingie i rushed out to purchase didn't help...despite his recommendation for the product...

i wanted something to boost my reception of the local wifi signal
and the item i purchased was to increase the range of a wireless router...
and didn't help me one bit....so i was very confused about that....again not his fault...

i wonder what version charged him for his mini hotspot on those days?

thanks john mcg!
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:40 PM   #38
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The Verizon Wireless Data card is an account like a cell phone account that is upgraded for data, and equivalent to required service for Blackberry-type devices... I think he said it cost between $75 and $85/month...

Anywhere he has Verizon service he has high-speed internet service, and he can then put it through his WiFi router... Sprint and Cingular also offer similar service these days, and Sprint is advertising fast speeds heavily..

I think the "repeater" Rich recommended is for use with a weak but perceptible signal to make it stronger and more reliable. The total range of most WiFi routers is only 250 to 350 feet.. (Wait 'til WiMax gets going in 2007...). The WBCCI signal over in the Pavillion was so weak it wouldn't have been accessible via repeater from beyond the immediate vicinity of the amphitheater... When Rich moved his repeater outside his trailer, we could easily use our laptop inside our trailer 8 spaces down the row...

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We use the cellular modem cards at work. Currently we have Altell, Verizion and Sprint. Sprint and Verizion appear to have the best coverage. Verizon has the speed edge IF YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT AREA. They have the best coverage on the EVDO which is super fast and in some cases as fast or faster than T-1 Sprint comes in second on the fast and coverage. I use the Sprint, my connection speeds are typically in the the 120kbps (about double a good dialup) range. I can usually do better on a free WiFi network. FWIW I am currently in the Greenville, SC area. In the downtown area the city has provided free wireless. Several of the restaurants in the area have it too. FWIW Atlanta Bread Co seems to be providing it at a lot of their locations.

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This summer we have 'sniffed' about for a wireless connection to do a quick check on email in all sorts of places. It's amazing just how many connections are available, even in a small village out in the boonies.

Our favorite time was sniffing for a connection from our boat this summer. We would motor slowly along the lake 'looking' for a connection, then I'd yell out 'anchors away!' My wife would toss the anchor and voila, we'd be all set to do a quick check on email...



I'll be spending some time this winter investigation a full-time solution... probably a bi-directional satellite system. Anybody have such a solution that works well?
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Rich C obviously had Verizon Wireless Broadband service, which is available in Salem, in order to to have enough data transfer rate to share with his neighbors. The Verizon site advertises 181 "major metropolitan areas" that currently have wireless broadband, with more to come in the future. My area is not scheduled for broadband in the foreseeable future, so it's regular cellular coverage for me, which is the equivalent of a slow dial-up. Their site also says wireless broadband can cost $59.95 per month (with a two year contract, and a qualifying voice plan).
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Wow, the OP asked about places that offer free WiFi and he got a lesson in manners, ethics, and law, all in one.
Its enough to make discussions about speed limits appear tame!

I don't think some folks are listening to the arguments, though. It seems they are bound and determined that they know better than those who have been debating and discussing this issue since radio was first invented.

I wonder if there is any correlation between all the straw men brought into this discussion and the end of Burning Man 2006?

A few issues to be aware of. One is that a router is a computer and to use a wifi signal is to take advantage of that computer and its storage and capabilities. Another is that the frequencies involved are shared - hams take advantage of this to run more power for more range under license with certain restrictions (they often just upload new software to existing commercial routers to do this). A third is that people purchase internet connections and are bound by agreements with the service provider that can impact its proper use.

What I am seeing are a lot of arguments that remind me of the heyday of the CB craze and some of the rationalizations used for operating without a license, with illegal appliances, and with other disregard for the FCC regulations.

Interesting.
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