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Old 09-08-2016, 07:05 AM   #1
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External Antennae - Best Roof Placement Location

I am preparing to install two external antennae on the roof of my 30' AS 2016 Classic: a) a SureCall antenna to be connected to a weBoost 4G-X with internal panel antenna; and b) a Wifi Ranger with a Go2 router.

I am aware that one or both of these antennae need a certain distance from its associated internal antenna or router.

I would welcome advice regarding the placement on the roof of these antennae from the perspective of this this antenna-to-antenna distance spacing question.

Thank you. Dennis
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:59 PM   #2
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I had read something about the distance between the two at one point, but cannot find it now. The only thing I found recently was that the internal antenna shouldn't be directed towards the external antenna. IIRC (and that is dubious) the distance was at least 5-6 feet. My external antenna was installed by a dealer who "knew what they were doing" but they only gave me about 3 feet. I have to place my internal antenna in a location I don't like to avoid feedback loops. Even so, I'm probably only 4-5 feet separation and things seem to work well. I have yet to upgrade the internal antenna so it only feeds my hotspots when used.
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Old 04-13-2017, 05:00 AM   #3
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I am preparing to install two external antennae on the roof of my 30' AS 2016 Classic: a) a SureCall antenna to be connected to a weBoost 4G-X with internal panel antenna; and b) a Wifi Ranger with a Go2 router.



I am aware that one or both of these antennae need a certain distance from its associated internal antenna or router.



I would welcome advice regarding the placement on the roof of these antennae from the perspective of this this antenna-to-antenna distance spacing question.



Thank you. Dennis


I just completed the exact same installation on my 2017 Classic. I put the SureCall antenna behind the rear air unit and the Wilson Flat Panel indoor antenna just barely forward of the refrigerator on the ceiling using their ceiling mount kit. I got a green light immediately and have experienced no oscillation at all. My only mistake was not getting the SureCall above the top of the a/c unit. So in some instances, depending on the location of the cell tower, my performance could be a bit degraded. I used "lewster's" recommendation and bought two of the tall solar panel mounts from Am Solar to mount the SureCall. They come with 3M VHB tape on the feet. Clean the surface with alcohol, peel and stick, then cove r the feet with Sikaflex. No drilling and no holes. Works perfect just like he said it would.
I mounted the Wifi Ranger Elite antenna all the forward on the roof using 3M VHB and SikaFlex adhesive. Both antenna cables are routed through the refrigerator vent. Cable are mounted to the roof using zip tie adhesive pads also covered in SikaFlex.
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Old 05-29-2017, 03:32 PM   #4
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I just completed the exact same installation on my 2017 Classic. .... I used "lewster's" recommendation and bought two of the tall solar panel mounts from Am Solar to mount the SureCall. They come with 3M VHB tape on the feet. Clean the surface with alcohol, peel and stick, then cove r the feet with Sikaflex. No drilling and no holes. Works perfect just like he said it would.
I mounted the Wifi Ranger Elite antenna all the forward on the roof using 3M VHB and SikaFlex adhesive. Both antenna cables are routed through the refrigerator vent. Cable are mounted to the roof using zip tie adhesive pads also covered in SikaFlex.
MoJoe et al,

We have a 2016 Flying Cloud 25 (forward twins, rear living). I'm pondering the WiFi Ranger and have looked at tons of online info/recommendations as well as very good youtube videos. What has me stopped before I buy is the difficulty of mounting an antenna and running the cable to wherever the WiFi Ranger will go.

I am no where near an Airstream dealer and all local rv repair places just look at Airstreams and scratch their heads, so getting an RV place to do this is likely not an option so I'm into doing it myself, but only if it's easy-peasy.

I'm intrigued by your idea of routing the cable down the fridge vent but is that just an air vent ie. nothing in there harmful to the wifi wire you're running? What's involved in fishing out that wire once you drop it down the vent from the roof? Do I need to pull out the fridge?

My fridge is mid-cabin and I'd want to mount the wifi box all the way aft in the overhead entertainment cabinet that spans the rear wall over the dinette (where there is an existing power plug), but how would I get the antenna wire from the fridge vent to there? I can see routing it under the road side settee but getting it to the cabinet up top without running it up the side of the inside aluminum skin (visible!) has me scratching my head. I can't go the other way, forward to install the unit above the bed, because I run into the shower.

My unit has one of those mushroom non-folding TV antennas so I also have to figure out a way to mount the wifi ranger antenna, preferably without drilling holes in my roof, so could you tell me more about the adhesive mounts you used? Have you an online reference for the 3M VHB mounts and zip tie adhesive pads you mention?

Could I use an adhesive mount and mount the wifi antenna on top of the mushroom TV antenna? Could I use adhesive to mount it on top of the AC unit?

My radio antenna is far aft just before the round down and I'm wondering whether anyone has thought about the possibility of somehow getting under the radio antenna mount on the roof skin and following the routing of the radio antenna wire with the wifi antenna wire, since the radio antenna wire is going to exactly the place where I'd like to mount the wifi ranger inside unit. There might be a way of disconnecting the radio antenna at the radio, attaching the wifi antenna cable to it with tape, and pulling the wifi cable through to the roof, then pulling the radio antenna back inside. Any thoughts on that anyone?

All help appreciated!

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Old 05-29-2017, 05:08 PM   #5
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weBoost Drive 4G-X Cell Phone Signal Booster & Winegard WF-3000 White ConnecT WF1 Wi

we are getting the weBoost Drive 4G-X Cell Phone Signal Booster & Winegard WF-3000 White ConnecT WF1 WiFi Extender

we have the same question

we have a sport 22FB

where do we place it how the roof
where do we run the wires down

any advise pls
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I am preparing to install two external antennae on the roof of my 30' AS 2016 Classic: a) a SureCall antenna to be connected to a weBoost 4G-X with internal panel antenna; and b) a Wifi Ranger with a Go2 router.

I am aware that one or both of these antennae need a certain distance from its associated internal antenna or router.

I would welcome advice regarding the placement on the roof of these antennae from the perspective of this this antenna-to-antenna distance spacing question.

Thank you. Dennis
Put them wherever they will fit, and at least a couple feet apart, more if it's easy to do.

The aluminum roof will provide all the isolation you need from the indoor antennas.
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this is what our roof antenna placement looks like

the small black one is for the weboost 4g-x cell

the other is the wifi winegard wf-3000
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this is what our roof antenna placement looks like

the small black one is for the weboost 4g-x cell

the other is the wifi winegard wf-3000
Thanks! I have three questions:

1. I can't tell from the photos how you got the cables for the antennae from roof top into the unit below. Can you clarify how you did that?

2. Also, once inside the unit, how did you route the cables and mount any indoor units?

3. Shopping for these sort of items up here in Canada is not as simple as in the USA. How did you come to select those units over others such as WiFi Ranger?

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hi gary

in the middle and bottom picture there is a plate under the tape on the bottom left side of the photos.

this roof plate cam with the wingard. It is a flat plat with a cable through. the opening faces to the rear, silicon goes all around under the plates as it has a groove for that. This ensures water goes not enter. to be extra sure i placed RV roof tape over it. Not cheap but very sticky

i drilled a 1" hole through the two skins such that it came through just inside the AS22FB closet behind the TV. Both the cell and wifi extender are mounted on the wall with their backs facing the back of the TV, but inside the closet. see the photo before i cleaned up the cabling

the cables come in through the ceiling and go directly the their respective units. see the hole in the upper right of the photo
extra cable is coiled up and cable tied to the wall. not seen in this photo
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Old 07-14-2017, 04:58 AM   #10
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Thanks! I have three questions:



1. I can't tell from the photos how you got the cables for the antennae from roof top into the unit below. Can you clarify how you did that?



2. Also, once inside the unit, how did you route the cables and mount any indoor units?



3. Shopping for these sort of items up here in Canada is not as simple as in the USA. How did you come to select those units over others such as WiFi Ranger?



Gary


I had ours routed down the refrigerator vent and then into the electronics cabinet that is right next to the refrigerator. No drilling holes through the roof of our trailer! Requires removing the refrigerator roof vent cover then reinstalling it after routing the cables. Very clean install. There is a gentleman on the forums with the handle "Lewster" who does these kind of electronics installs on RV's for a living. Great resource. His go to set up is the weBoost 4G-X with a SureCall Omni exterior antenna and a Wilson wall or ceiling mount flat panel indoor antenna for cell boosting and the Wifi Ranger obviously for better wifi reception. He also recommended using Ultra Low Loss antenna cable. It's pricey, but I agreed with his logic on the cable. I took his advice and purchased and installed that exact setup. The Wifi Ranger Elite XL comes as a complete package with a great exterior antenna.
The folks at the 3G store (online) have been very helpful and they are priced competitively.
The antennas were installed with 3M VHB tape then the mounts were covered in SikaFlex 221. The cables were mounted across the roof using 1 inch square zip tie cables mounts with 3M VHB then covered in SikaFlex. Again, no holes!
We have been very pleased with the performance of both units. I also mounted a Verizon Jet Pack Mifi device right next to the Wilson indoor antenna. We now get much improved cell reception even outside the trailer.
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Check these guys out. They make a single antenna for cell/WiFi/HDTV

http://pdqconnect.com
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Thanks all for taking the time for the thoughtful information. It's given me much too think about. I see one of the USA's desires in the NAFTA negotiations with Canada is that we (Canada) increase our online duty free allowance to $800 from $20. I'm up for that so that I can order some of the necessary equipment without cross border shipping issues!

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