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Old 06-01-2007, 01:49 PM   #61
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You're right Tom, if you have Directv you already have XM stations available. We have also only used our CD player once, and that was on our shakedown trip just to make sure it worked. Most of the time, I plug my iPod in and play that. Since I already have Sirius, and probably won't get Directv, I was interested in how it hooks up in the trailer. Thanks for the link.

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Old 06-06-2007, 08:13 PM   #62
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Now is the test

The BullsEye mount came today so I can try to hook up Directv to the AS tomorrow. Thinking it through, some questions come to mind, first being: the dish we will use on the AS has 1 LBN and the cable that is already connected to it is a single cable. With that set up, can we use 2 receivers in the AS and watch 2 different programs on two different tvs? If so, where do we split it?

Our set up for the house has a dish with 3 LBNs, with double cable coming from the dish that is split with one side of the cable going to one receiver and the other half of the cable going to the second receiver. We can watch 2 different programs on two different TVs. That is what I would like to do in the AS.

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The single LNB dish means that you can only get one satellite. You need to take the LNB off of the arm it is attached to. You will then be able to see the connector to which the cable is attached. If there are two, you can run a cable from each one to a receiver and you are set (there are actually four on a three LNB dish). If there is only one, you'll need to speak with Dish or someone else to see if you can somehow run two receivers.
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Old 06-06-2007, 10:09 PM   #64
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Starflyte1,

No, that won't work. You need to have one cable feed per LNB to do multiple things simultaneously. In order to make our dual LNB TiVo work, I had to get two coax lines into the trailer. We tried several things, and eventually just had the factory add a new dual socket receptacle while we were there for other work. It was surprisingly inexpensive, but of course, you have to get to the factory.

It shouldn't be that hard to add one yourself, but there aren't many of us that are adventurous enough to cut holes in our own trailers. I bet a dealer would do it for you.
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Our dish is a dual LNB. It has two cable connections coming off of the back of the LNB and two cables can be attached as described by guy99. It appears to be a single LNB, though. The one we have at home has two receivers plus a DVR attached but only a single LNB showing. See photo of temporary dish set up below.
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Old 06-07-2007, 10:34 AM   #66
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I took the box off the dish where the cable attaches. Our dish only has one hookup for one cable.

Is there a place where I get a different dish this afternoon?

The tripod in the picture is the one that come with your emergency kit?

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AgZep, are you saying we can have just one cable into our tt from the LBN, then split it in the tt? Or, the way I think I understand is that I have to have 2 cables starting at the spot where the LBN connects to the "pole", like I think Guy is saying?
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dual LNB

It's been a while but I saw dual output LNB's at Walmart. The term dual LNB can be a bit confusing, the LNB can have a single output or dual outputs (dual LNB). Some dishes have multiple LNB's. My home has a single LNB dish with a Dual LNB, two cables coming from it - one cable to each receiver. You need 1 LNB output per receiver

For camping we use a single LNB dish, single output LNB and one receiver.

Photos show the multiple lnb's per dish.
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Old 06-07-2007, 12:43 PM   #68
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:38 PM   #69
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Radio Shack used to sell a splitter that you could use to split the signal once the cable enters the trailer. It is a little pricey. I used one when I installed my parent's dish after they moved. You have to use one specifically for satellite or you will only get half of the channels. You might be just as cheap to buy a new LNB pictured in post #68. They have really come down in price. I believe at the time, my dad paid maybe $49.99 for the splitter and the dual LNB was $99.99--can't remember, though, I could be wrong about the price of the LNB back then.
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Thanks for all the help!

We are leaving tomorrow morning and going to the East coast to see the shuttle launch. We will be there until Tuesday, so will be able to go to Radio Shack and see what they have. We will buy anything that will do the trick, within reason. ($100) I have to have HBO Sunday night or we will have to stay in a hotel.

Then we are heading North and have an appointment at JC the 18th. They
are going to install something someone else had installed for satellite.

Finally think I have it fairly clear in my mind what we need to get this done. Until we get the dual set up, we will use the single cable and one receiver.

Thanks again! I never could have figured it out with out all of the replies that I have gotten from all of you.

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Minnie---We have received our "emergency kit" from Directv. It appears from your pics you have yours up & running. Any problems I should be aware of or is it as easy as the instructions seem to say it is?
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Here's the deal. A single LNB can feed a receiver more than one signal. However, due to way the signals are transmitted, the channels are broken into two groups. A single LNB can feed from only one of the two groups at a time. So it's possible that if you wanted to see two shows at once (or record one while watching a different one), a single LNB feed might actually be able to display both of them simultaneously, if both channels belonged to the same group. But half the time, it would not, because you'd be looking for two channels on two different groups, which a single LNB cannot handle.

So, most dual output receivers need dual feeds, one LNB for each. On my old DirecTiVo, I need to have two LNBs on the dish, feeding two seperate pieces of coax. There's nothing cosmic about dual LNBs. My dual LNB thing looks exactly like HiHoAgRV's picture. Two coax outputs. I run two pieces of coax, into a dual coax block mounted on the trailer, and then two cables from the inside of the trailer up to the TiVo.

There are a whole host of devices that claim to be able to get around this limitation. I've never had one that worked right. I have seen them successfully feed a pair of dual input recievers from a single dish with one dual LNB on it, but that's not what you need to do.
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Minnie---We have received our "emergency kit" from Directv. It appears from your pics you have yours up & running. Any problems I should be aware of or is it as easy as the instructions seem to say it is?
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I had no problems with the set up. It was as easy as the instructions and CD demonstrates. I would recommend setting it up at home for a trial run if you have your trailer at home just as a familiarizing exercise, but that really isn't necessary.

Because I forgot to take the short section of coax that runs from the wall to the back of the receiver, I had to run the coax from the dish to the receiver by running it through the door. That was a little bit of a pain because our dog kept tangling in the coax when he was tied to the front step. I have a quick disconnect attached to the end of the coax from the dish to the back of the receiver so it was easy to disconnect and drop outside the door before going to bed each night.

Aiming was pretty simple, but I think I will order a signal finder before I head out next time. I googled "satellite signal finder" and found a variety that ranged in price from $7.99 to $24.99 to well over $100 and some over $200 for some of the professional units. I think I'll go with one of the mid-priced units. This is solely to eliminate the yelling out the window by my wife to me RE: the meter reading on the TV screen.

I'm glad I got the dish set up now. As I have found in the past, sometimes free cable can be half a dozen channels or as many as 25 or 30 but the quality can vary tremendously. The last KOA we stayed in provided cable with probably 30 channels. Half or more had so much snow that they were useless. We almost never watch the big three networks so having satellite will be a real boon to us in the future. With this set up, it cost us nothing extra now that we have the dish.

Good luck with the set up and if you have any questions, I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm glad to try to answer them.
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The first Radio Shack I went to had the dual output LNB. I felt really lucky.
We didn't even try to set the dish up at Manatee Hammock because of the dense tree cover. We stayed there Fri and Sat night, and moved up the coast to Beverly Beach Sun.

Perfect view of the entire sky. Hooked up the new LNB and the new Wingard (sp?) satellite finder and did not get a picture. Finally called Directv and learned more, but not enough. Put it all away.

I did not use any of the AS wires or cables. I went directly from the dish to the receiver then to an extra tv set we have.

At home we have an oval dish, so I have to change that on the setup. Will buy a compass tomorrow and return the satallite finder.

I have had satallite radio for several years. I thought finding a tv satallite would be as easy as with the radio. Was I ever wrong! I can't look at any other dishes and which direction they are pointed as everyone is connected to cable in this park.

I think all that is left to do is to find the signal. That will come, hopefully, some day soon.
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The compass is key to finding the satellite. For example, according to the zip code where we stayed over Memorial Day Weekend, the azimuth was 238 degrees. I could have never found that direction without a compass. Be sure that the compass you get has the degrees marked off in at least 2 degree intervals. This will allow you to get a pretty good "rough" direction or azimuth. I lined up the compass with North/South and then pointed the dish toward the 238 degrees direction. Also, make sure you adjust the angle of the dish using the markings on the side of the dish mount where it is connected to the mast. These two measurements are critical. Then you fine tune with either the satellite finder or the meter on the receiver (the screen with the meter and signal beeper). I used only the signal meter with the receiver and was able to get a reading on that meter of 100. It only took about 4-5 minutes to locate the satellite once I had the dish mounted on the mast.

If I can do it, I know you can. It may take a little patience but you'll get the hang of it in no time.
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Thanks, Minnie's Mate,

I need to ask another question: when I go to the setup on the tv screen for Directv, and see two lines testing signal strength, will those line change or do I have to reset? Also, I have not heard any beeping sounds. Do they come with that same page setup.

We will buy a compass as you suggested, in two degree steps.

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Oh yeah, one more thing. If your using an in-line signal strength meter at the dish to help point, ya' gotta remove it before you start trying to watch TV. Mine has some pretty significant losses thru it.
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I need to ask another question: when I go to the setup on the tv screen for Directv, and see two lines testing signal strength, will those line change or do I have to reset? Also, I have not heard any beeping sounds. Do they come with that same page setup.

We will buy a compass as you suggested, in two degree steps.

Thanks again!

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You might be having an issue like I had. Did you have the reciever plugged in at any time the dish was disconnected? Mine gets confused even if I don't hit the power on button. I have to unplug the receiver, wait 30 sec's then replug. It then finds the dish and satelite. One other clue is the winnguard meter is maxed out and the TV is not even beeping.
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Thanks, HiHo,

Good points, especially about the receiver being plugged in when the receiver is disconnected. Will make a point of watching for that.

The Winegard satellite finder say to set it to 3-4. Any time it is set above 1, it beeps. There should be an easier way than the Wingard, or else I did not use it right.

Finding the satellite is on hold for now. There are storm warnings in the area.


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I think HiHoArgRv is right about removing the signal meter from being in line before looking at the receiver's signal meter. I haven't used an in-line signal meter yet so I'm not sure how to use one. I am planning on ordering one from the net so I can set everything up from the dish location and avoid the shouts from inside the trailer...actually, it was pretty funny. My wife told my 7 year old what to shout to me so it was kind of like a bucket brigade of number shouting as he relayed the meter reading from my wife to me.

Anyway, I think you might have as good of luck with the meter on the receiver as you did with the in-line meter. If you still haven't got it by the time you move to your next camp ground and there is someone there with a dish, get up your gumption and ask them if they mind giving you some advice. I'm sure they would be glad to help...or they aren't much of an RV'er in my opinion...that's what I would do. And you know us guys and asking for directions! Anyway, it's always easier to help when you are there in person. If I were there I'd be glad to work with you as much as I know how.

Keep us posted.
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