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03-15-2016, 07:04 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Park city
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Why is one of the outlets blanked out near TV?
Why is one of the outlets blanked out near TV?
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03-15-2016, 07:39 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' Flying Cloud
Brandenburg
, Kentucky
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Would that one blanked out outlet be on the inverter circuit? If so, it's there to possible limit the load on the inverter.
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03-15-2016, 08:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Sneedville
, Tennessee
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Yep, so you can't try to run a microwave while you are watching TV on the inverter.
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03-16-2016, 07:29 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Park city
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Both the inverter circuit and the 110 each have one blanked out.
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03-16-2016, 07:54 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' Flying Cloud
Brandenburg
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New NEMA (National Electrical) Code
When I built my new home a couple years ago, I found that all of the electrical outlets had built-in safety covers (required by local building code). When you look at the outlet, the slots for the plugs are covered and when you plug into the outlet, the covers move out of the way. Have you tried to insert a plug into the outlet?
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03-17-2016, 07:27 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Park city
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Both the inverter duplex and the 110 duplex outlets have only one available so not sure it is inverter related?
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03-17-2016, 07:29 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Park city
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The blank does not move out of the way. I really want to plug and apple TV into that outlet. I would rather not plug in an ugly adaptor.
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03-17-2016, 08:54 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
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I think the intent was to use the singles on the inverter circuit but they end up on shore power circuits sometimes. That's what happened to mine - I had them changed at the factory when I was there for a couple of other minor items.
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03-17-2016, 09:06 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
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Note that when looking inside the receptacle, you will see that by knocking our the thin pieces of plastic filling the plug blade spaces, it turns into a typical duplex outlet with two plug in spaces. Airstream is trying to limit what can be plugged into their factory installed 1,000 watt inverter which can NOT even power any of the microwave units they install.
Our 2013 25FB International Serenity had the 600 watt inverter of the time and it was truly useless for anything other than the television and DVD player.
We omitted the factory inverter in our Classic as we installed a 2,800 watt Magnum MS-2812 inverter along with a 600 amp-hour lithium battery. It can power the air conditioner.
We removed the factory 1,000 watt inverter in the 23D and replaced it with a 3,000 watt hybrid Magnum MSH-3012 along with a 300 amp-hour lithium battery. The Magnum will pull power from the battery and augment a Honda 2,000 watt generator input to start the air conditioner. The 2,000 watt Honda can keep the air conditioner running once it is started.
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03-17-2016, 09:37 AM
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Rivet Master
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The only reason I can think of is the outlet is connected to a single circuit 20a breaker.
This might be the case if the circuit is for a water heater or space heater or other appliance that draws more than 1600w.
NEC 551.43
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03-17-2016, 11:18 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
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Outlets are not designed to limit current on a given circuit. If only a single plugin was required they would have installed a none duplex receptacle.
How about a picture.
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03-17-2016, 06:13 PM
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Rivet Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HowieE
Outlets are not designed to limit current on a given circuit. If only a single plugin was required they would have installed a none duplex receptacle.
How about a picture.
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Obviously outlets are not designed to limit current on a given circuit.
However, when you design a circuit, it is required that you limit the current in each branch circuit by the using appropriate outlet devices.
In the case of a high load appliance a single outlet branch circuit is required, and the required receptacle is a single outlet. Using a duplex receptacle with two outlets changes the code definition of the branch circuit.
Either a duplex outlet with one end blank, or a single outlet in the yoke is acceptable.
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03-17-2016, 06:45 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' Flying Cloud
Brandenburg
, Kentucky
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Just a thought
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danecoyer
The blank does not move out of the way. I really want to plug and apple TV into that outlet. I would rather not plug in an ugly adaptor.
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Have you explored the possibility of making your Apple TV run off of 12VDC. I have a router that I use way.
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