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Old 10-12-2011, 08:11 PM   #15
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You can attach some of them on the license plate bracket, or inside the rear window.

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Inside the back window won't work with the infra red night vision. You get a white reflection.
I am having JC mount mine with a back plate, just below the center marker light. Since they will have the center and right top sections off, I am having them run an antenna extension over to the curbside wardrobe. I don't know if I'll need the extension, but since the skin is open, might as well put it in. Power will be from the center marker light.

I should be able to give you a report about 11/6 or 7.
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:51 PM   #16
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i just bought an IBALL hitch camera at iballhitchcam.com for $139.95. It works great for hitching up. It also works from the back of the trailer but it is not a wide angle picture so I don't soley depend on it for backing yet.
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:59 PM   #17
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I have a wireless camera mounted on the rear window using a large suction cup that works well. I also have the 10 foot extension for the antena but will upgrade to the 20 foot since i still get alot of static on the monitor inside my pickup. I would never use the camera for backing up as the field of view is way to wide. I use the camera only to see what is behind me as I drive on the interstate and unless a vehicle is within 50 feet i cannot tell what kind it is.



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Old 10-12-2011, 10:07 PM   #18
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I have a wireless camera mounted on the rear window using a large suction cup that works well. I also have the 10 foot extension for the antena but will upgrade to the 20 foot since i still get alot of static on the monitor inside my pickup. I would never use the camera for backing up as the field of view is way to wide. I use the camera only to see what is behind me as I drive on the interstate and unless a vehicle is within 50 feet i cannot tell what kind it is.



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What brand, Gary? Is it infra red and if so, what does the picture look like at night?
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:36 PM   #19
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I mounted a 4ucam camera on the Lic. Plate at the rear of a 19 ft international. Then hardwired under the airstream with a connector into a four pin connector. Then hardwire under my tundra, thru the firewall and into the camera which sits on a mount at the shift console.
The camera is on at all times when I tow. When I unhitch, I can disconnect it at the waterproof 4 pin connector. It works great. Has color and shows everything behind the stream. I have had it in place for two years. If I replaced it today I would keep the same set up but would get a larger screen.
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Old 10-14-2011, 07:38 AM   #20
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What brand, Gary? Is it infra red and if so, what does the picture look like at night?

I got the entire setup from 4ucam.com and have not yet driven after dark to check out the IR




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Old 10-16-2011, 08:22 PM   #21
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Ok, I received my camera system last Friday and played around with several temporary configurations on a 300 mile camping trip this weekend. I need some help from antenna type gurus.
The antennas which come on the 4ucam system at the link below, are pretty small and anemic.

Wireless car backup camera color monitor RV Truck Trailer Rear View Backup Wireless Camera RVCam Day & Night Vision

I needed to move them closer together, but I think that any more than 10 feet of extension cable is resulting in more dB loss than I am gaining by closing the distance between the antennas.

Can someone fill me in on the best way to get a signal boost. I am going to try the 2M antenna listed at the bottom of the page in the above link. Can someone explain the gain in a 2M? I will still need to use a 10' extension to get the antenna where it needs to be...both to hide it as well as give as clear a shot into the cab of the truck as possible.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:24 PM   #22
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Just a quick update. I have been experimenting with antennae locations and setups. Will be trying the larger omni-directional antenna at the bottom of the page here:
Wireless car backup camera color monitor RV Truck Trailer Rear View Backup Wireless Camera RVCam Day & Night Vision

However, berfore it arrived I sought help from some wireless camera experts at a remote Control hobbyist forum here:
Please help..2.4GHz antenna/reception issues - RC-CAM Forum

They were kind enough to walk me through some really basic stuff and I ended up ordering 2 of these:

2.4 GHz 8 dBi RH Circular Polarized Patch Antenna - 4ft SMA Male Connector - HG2409PCR-SM

The windsurfer antenna experiment was a success and I think I'm on the right track toward a pretty clear wireless backup camera setup for longer Airstreams.
Stay tuned for installation steps and results, probably next week.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:56 PM   #23
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Just curious.
Why don't you guys want to hardwire them?
That would seem to be flawless.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:02 PM   #24
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I don't want to run all that wire and have more to connect while hitching up. I also use 2 - 3 different tow vehicles each year, so I need portability between TVs. Also, If I want more cameras in the future, for security purposes, this system is a 4 channel and just unplugs from the cig lighter, take it in the AS and plug it into a 12V power port and I'm set. If hardwire works for you, have at it. We all have different needs.

I think, once we find the correct hardware to use in an AS, there will be little trade offs, except competing equipment in the same bandwidth. Those include, older wireless land line phones, other cameras, and bluetooth equipment.
The issue with ASes is the fact that the whole thing is a pretty efficient RF reflector.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:53 PM   #25
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Hitch camera, too?

DZN, I'm very interested in reading more about your installation. I've been close to pulling the trigger on a similar system. I've looked over the offerings at 4ucam and this site: Tadi Brothers | Backup Camera system, Wireless Backup Camera for RV and trucks

I see we pull with similar TVs.

I want to add the magnetic mount camera to the system. The additional camera will help in solo hitching and low views when backing into camping spots.

The main view will be from the IR wireless camera mounted at the center rear marker light. I'd sure like to see how you've arranged that mount. I've read that cameras mounted at the license plate level have poor night vision, since they're looking right into headlights of vehicles behind.

Please keep the posts coming, with pictures!
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Old 10-20-2011, 03:00 PM   #26
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DZN, I'm very interested in reading more about your installation. I've been close to pulling the trigger on a similar system. I've looked over the offerings at 4ucam and this site: Tadi Brothers | Backup Camera system, Wireless Backup Camera for RV and trucks

I see we pull with similar TVs.

I want to add the magnetic mount camera to the system. The additional camera will help in solo hitching and low views when backing into camping spots.

The main view will be from the IR wireless camera mounted at the center rear marker light. I'd sure like to see how you've arranged that mount. I've read that cameras mounted at the license plate level have poor night vision, since they're looking right into headlights of vehicles behind.

Please keep the posts coming, with pictures!
Will do. The system I ordered is 4 channel and an additional magnet mount hitch camera can be added easily.

Since I have to have the center top section replaced at JC due to damage, they will run the wire for an antenna extension to the interior if the AS. The camera will be mounted just below the center marker and backplated before the panel is installed on the trailer. The antenna wire and power wires will run under the center marker bezel.

I will document the install with pics, if they will let me in the shop. If not, I'll shoot the finished product. It will be a couple of weeks though, my appt. at JC isn't till 11/3.
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Sorry about the damage you have to fix.

I plan to remove the center marker light and replace it with the camera mount. I don't know how I'll affix the camera, or if it will cover the hole left by the light. You mentioned backer panel, and that makes sense. Perhaps I could insert an aluminum backer bar through the hole, with threaded hole to bolt to. The bar could span the hole on the inside of the exterior panel. Then connect to the 12VDC wire for the light, mount the camera with the bolt, and Vulcum.

I don't know if the camera transmitter will be sufficient to send good quality data to the receiver on my dashboard. You have indicated that you will use a transmitter antenna, mounted forward on the trailer. I could also mount an antenna right at the camera location.

Will you have an auxillary receiving antenna on the van? Would the van's radio antenna work, with a split to the monitor? I think your plan to have a plug-in system for the monitor makes sense, so that you can move it to other vehicles.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:25 PM   #28
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Sorry about the damage you have to fix.

I plan to remove the center marker light and replace it with the camera mount. I don't know how I'll affix the camera, or if it will cover the hole left by the light. You mentioned backer panel, and that makes sense. Perhaps I could insert an aluminum backer bar through the hole, with threaded hole to bolt to. The bar could span the hole on the inside of the exterior panel. Then connect to the 12VDC wire for the light, mount the camera with the bolt, and Vulcum.

I don't know if the camera transmitter will be sufficient to send good quality data to the receiver on my dashboard. You have indicated that you will use a transmitter antenna, mounted forward on the trailer. I could also mount an antenna right at the camera location.

Will you have an auxillary receiving antenna on the van? Would the van's radio antenna work, with a split to the monitor? I think your plan to have a plug-in system for the monitor makes sense, so that you can move it to other vehicles.
Thanks, I'm over it...that's what insurance is for...my first claim in over 20 years on ANYTHING!
I'm not sure of the legality of eliminating a marker light. Might want to check into that. Mine will go just below the light, just far enough to prevent obstruction of the light.

The system I am getting has the transmitter internal to the camera housing with an antenna attached to the camera housing. The monitor has the receiver internal to the monitor housing with an antenna mounted on the monitor. Problem is, an AS is a HUGE RF reflector and with this setup your are trying to pass a relatively high frequency FM signal through a lot of aluminum and steel. I will remove the antenna on both units and replace with 8dB circular polorized patch antennas. I will have JC run an extension from the antenna connector (SMA) through the back wall of the AS while they have the section off. I will mount one of the directional patch antennas either inside the rear over head locker or behind the drapery valence, pointed directly down the center aisle. This eliminates 2 aluminum skins and framework from the RF reflective issue, and gives me a straight shot through only 2 panes of glass and one plexiglass pane to the dash of the truck.

The second patch antenna will be mounted somewhere in the cab of the truck facing backward. Maybe suction cupped to the rear view mirror...or back window....will have to experiment with that.

Ya know, the camers are light. I'm really not sure a backer plate is necessary, but since the panel is off, why not? I think you'd be fine just riveting the bracket to the skin, or fabricating an aluminum bracket which mounts under the center marker, if you didn't want to pierce the skin.
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