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Old 09-01-2014, 08:52 PM   #1
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Success. 2005 CCD High End Audio on low budget

Over the months, gleaned many a valuable lesson on various topics for fixing up our recently acquired 2005 Intnl CCD. Big Thanks to these forums!

In the interest of a modest give-back (in the audio department), being somewhat a past life audiophile with pro studio recording experience and equipment, didn't want to drain the budget ( or batteries ) for bettering the inherited original tin can acoustic experience.

One of the first noticeable challenges was to somehow upgrade the factory Sony CDXF5000 am/fm/cd unit and 4 Sony F/R speakers without going over the top which is easy to do in the audio world. Certainly in this rig, the mid range frequencies had no problem. But all the other frequencies did. The original audio unit was obviously struggling in basic volume/gain, low end and overall high frequency clarity. Overall, it was seriously inept and made no sense why it should be left this way to continuously annoy the occupants of a otherwise high-end rig.

With some research and practicality, wanted to let forum members know that with a few components and a few hours, felt we hit one excellent combination of a budget yet astounding improvement in the audio quality, sonic space, control and features. Other brands or variations can also work but the Polk speaker and improved amp components no doubt resulted in absolutely astounding improvement. Also, Aux direct from flat screen television via ROKU and hot spot WiFi extender linking to the home Internet (perhaps more on that later) now have aux input for an impressive a home like faux surround sound as well.

Out modest Parts list and general specs:

Sony MEXN5000BT with 4 x 52watts per channel.
(125.00 Front aux and usb input, blue tooth, 10 channel customizable eq with 10 presets, 4 built-in 55watt channel front/rear amplifiers, low level and sub-woofer out. Pandora, I Heart Radio and more. Remote iPhone control of eq, sub, source, front/rear and volume control / mute. Has bluetooth telephone/speakerphone through speakers too! Blue tooth app bit quirky but should improve per Sony.

Polk Audio DB1001 25mm Silk Polymer tweeter set (69.95/set articulating type, Goop and tape (no screw hole)mounted bases on either side of laminate goucho upper facing to "side" to reflect sound out from concave aluminum corners. When dry, Easy wire from upper opening and snap-in tweeters into bases and articulate. Wired in parallel to left in-place original front down facing Sony 6.5 coaxial speakers which work fine as is for midrange frequencies.....for now.

Polk Audio PA 300 MOSFET external amplifier (99.95 drives only sub in our rig setup. Mounts and wires nicely next to sub under front couch....see below

Polk Audio DXI108 8" Enclosed passive subwoofer (106.00 Entire enclosure with speaker mounts under roadside front couch, near inverter cavity along
with the Polk external amplifier and to prewired factory 12VDC power, on/off trigger for amp power on and low level audio signal prewiring from Sony head unit. Note: removing seat cushions and a few wood screws allow pealing up the plywood top for hidden placement of subwoofer and amplifier into seating cavity.

Yes, it adds total 25 lbs for the benefit but you'll soon discover well worth it. Easy post install via access of factory removable wood hatch for set and forget fine adjustment of low end frequency, roll off and gain all locally adjustable from factory removable hatch under cushion.

So for approx. $405.00 in parts and a fun afternoon, sounds like you spent 2000.00 and net years of more enjoyment from your AS while becoming the envy of your fellow campsite neighbors. Happier listening.....happier camping...
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:09 PM   #2
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I bet it is nice but in my case it would be a waste of money and time. I would never be able to properly appreciate the improvement. Too many years around Naval aircraft has left me with crappy hearing. The only mod I would like to make to my radio is the ability to use USB inputs.
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I will want to study your set up more. We have the same trailer. Ours came with the factory jVC upgrade system.


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Interesting, I'd love to see photos of the finished install. Been thinking of upgrading our unit. Want something to plug my iphone into.
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Interesting, I'd love to see photos of the finished install. Been thinking of upgrading our unit. Want something to plug my iphone into.
BA, yes I did some in process photos so will gather some up and post when able.
The big surprise is that you can't see anything different from factory and improvement blows you away. Thanks !
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Yeah my speakers are a little too mono sounding.
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Pics of Finished Polk add-ons 9-2-14

"Goop" adhesive and tape to 1st securely mount base of mount liquid cooled tweeters. Mounted these "up higher" aiding in even reflective sound dispersion from concave aluminum corners. Also allowed upper wiring access behind without need of drilling cabinet.
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Hidden Enclosed Woofer and Amp nearby

Must remove upper bench perimeter screws and peel up entire top to tight squeeze in Polk subwoofer enclosure. Factory bench access hatch allows easy access to amp fine tuning and low end setting controls beneath. Note: The bench enclosure actually has a usable natural low frequency resonance on its own and factory "round hole" could support optional raw subwoofer mounting in place of Polk sub self contained unit...saving some space/weight.
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Must remove upper bench perimeter screws and peel up entire top to tight squeeze in Polk subwoofer enclosure. Factory bench access hatch allows easy access to amp fine tuning and low end setting controls beneath. Note: The bench enclosure actually has a usable natural low frequency resonance on its own and factory "round hole" could support optional raw subwoofer mounting in place of Polk sub self contained unit...saving some space/weight.

Thanks for sharing.

So, taking advantage of your kindness, do you have any thoughts about adding some type of exterior speakers to our standard Sony set up? Right now our low tech solution is to crank up the volume and open a window so we can sit outside and listen to music. Not the best of solutions. Just wonder if there is a low cost way that someone of nowhere near your capabilities could wire for a couple of outside speakers under the awning area so we could enjoy either the radio or CD player while enjoying the outdoors and a good book.

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Thanks for sharing.

So, taking advantage of your kindness, do you have any thoughts about adding some type of exterior speakers to our standard Sony set up? Right now our low tech solution is to crank up the volume and open a window so we can sit outside and listen to music. Not the best of solutions. Just wonder if there is a low cost way that someone of nowhere near your capabilities could wire for a couple of outside speakers under the awning area so we could enjoy either the radio or CD player while enjoying the outdoors and a good book.

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Thanks Dana,
Trying to not be long winded, few methods to consider with this each with personal preference with corresponding effort/quality, portability, loudness or cost. Most found at Best Buy, Staples or big-box like outlets. Most can connect to AS system music source with a 15-25ft long stereo headphone extension if the AS stereo has a headphone jack output.

A:Portable Easy Traditional: Battery op/12v or ac powered boombox: Self contained am/fm/cd/aux/headphone inputs 39.00 - 200.00 Brands: Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer etc... Can take this out on lake !

B:Portable "Speaker Only" Option: Obtain a newer "self contained self powered" speaker only setup. Has Bluetooth or headphone jack input from music source. Also allows link via standard headphone out on cell phone, MP3 player, receiver, or am/fm cd player. Different sizes, power output and costs but surprisingly good results for the size. Prices ranges from 30.00 (mono) to 200.00+ stereo. Brands: Jambox, JBL etc...

C:More Elaborate, impressive quality, compact, perhaps overkill: (120volt or inverter power needed). Using the same small speaker systems w/sub-woofers as home desk computers can be used giving local volume/bass control outside. Placing speakers under rig or hanging under overhang may require extending the included factory wiring depending on speaker placement. But this system below is one of the best sounding for the $. Spent many hours personally comparing this very choice and still impressed buy it at cost. (Compare for yourself at Bestbuy if near one.)
Klipsch - ProMedia 2.1 Speaker System (3-Piece) - Black

This Klipsch version at Best Buy for an incredible accuarate sound @ 139.00/set but many others can suffice.

Hope this helps......
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Where did you mount the Polk tweeters exactly? I can't really tell from the pictures. Did you leave the existing speakers as they are? Lots of questions My ccd has been modified on the inside so doesn't have the same cabinetry setup.
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Tweeter mounting

Hi Ebundy:

Yes, glad your ask. Original pics not too revealing of tweeter placement. So, attached is one more. (Look up high to spot small round black / chrome tweeter mirrored on each side). You're rig mount may need to vary but here's the concept.

Just temp taped 2 tweeters into L / R forward positions while listening to hi Q CD and moving ears around to determine best hidden reflective position to cabin and sitting directly underneath. Ultimate sweet spot was up high aiming slightly downward into the corner aluminum curvatures to evenly reflect. Goop glued with tape for secure no screw mounting. ( Trying to keep original factory look with existing original components ). Can further EQ sound through head unit to taste.

To your questions, addition of tweeters and couch sub was just "in addition" to original 4 factory Sony 2way speakers. Left all those bad boys in place as-is for no effort full mid-range (at least for now). Overall, huge sound improvement.
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Hi Ebundy:

Yes, glad your ask. Original pics not too revealing of tweeter placement. So, attached is one more. (Look up high to spot small round black / chrome tweeter mirrored on each side). You're rig mount may need to vary but here's the concept.

Just temp taped 2 tweeters into L / R forward positions while listening to hi Q CD and moving ears around to determine best hidden reflective position to cabin and sitting directly underneath. Ultimate sweet spot was up high aiming slightly downward into the corner aluminum curvatures to evenly reflect. Goop glued with tape for secure no screw mounting. ( Trying to keep original factory look with existing original components ). Can further EQ sound through head unit to taste.

To your questions, addition of tweeters and couch sub was just "in addition" to original 4 factory Sony 2way speakers. Left all those bad boys in place as-is for no effort full mid-range (at least for now). Overall, huge sound improvement.
Looking to do something similar with the audio quality in ours. Currently it's kinda lacking. Do you have additional tweeters in the bedroom?

Any more thoughts on outside audio? Computer speakers would work ac and dc, but what of placement, with awning down for example?
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