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Old 04-26-2011, 06:49 PM   #15
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YOU CAN NOT GO 'OVERBOARD' WHEN SAFETY IN IN QUESTION!!!!!

Look, it's your money and your life........do as you see fit. My advise comes from a professional view of RV components and safety. I have spent over a thousand hours in training and certification to get a Master RV Technician rating. How many courses have you taken?

Yes, a lot of things will work, but for how long and at what ultimate price? There are currently only 6 devices that are RVIA certified for hot water production for use in an RV. Atwood and Suburban water heaters, Precision Temp and Girard tankless water heaters and all of the products from Aqua-Hot Heating Systems and Oasis Thermal Systems.

And by the way, exactly what are your qualifications for installing an unrated heating element into a production water heater ("installed many of them")? If you are doing this for others, I sure hope you carry a very large amount of professional liability insurance.

NOTICE ANYTHING MISSING????????????

And some folks have been asking me why I don't post as often as I used to. I think the answer is quite obvious!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:51 PM   #16
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Read these:

From the Suburban website:
"Any alterations to a Suburban water heater will void its warranty. This includes add-on electric aftermarket heating elements. There are a number of heating elements being offered. These elements are supplied with different types of thermostats which are mounted in various locations of the water heater. These heating elements can lack critical safety controls. Use of these devices can lead to an out of control heating of the water tank and a catastrophic wet side explosion. The use of these aftermarket heating element devices may result in damage to components or the water heater. When aftermarket heating elements are inserted into the anode rod/drain connection, tank life is shortened by accelerating inner tank corrosion. This will be a non-warrantable situation."

Atwood has similar cautions on their web site.

Argue all you want. The Hott Rod is a non-certified (UL, CSA, CE, ITE) device that has a thermostat only and no ECO (energy cut off) that will cut power in a runaway situation. You may call this unnecessary, I call it a redundant back-up that ANY LP-fired device used in an RV has.
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:52 PM   #17
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YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION!!

Where do you draw your expertise from??????????????????
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:14 PM   #18
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Think twice, post once...

Please let's get the best info out there for our members.

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Old 04-26-2011, 08:37 PM   #19
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Bob,

Are you trying to channel Norm Abrams?
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:14 PM   #20
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Thanks for your sound advice. When you talk, I and lots of others listen.

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I am an engineer and a home inspector. When it comes to equipment that can harm or kill you or your loved ones, like electrical panel boxes and water heaters, you just don't mess with them and change anything that affects how they operate. Do you want to accept the liability for any changes that you think are ok. I don't think so. Just because it may work does not make it safe. Just because you don't see how it may go wrong does not mean that it will not go wrong. Just install and use it in accordance with the manufacturers instructions.

My water heater is a combo gas/electric model because that is what the PO installed. If I were going to install a new WH, I would probably install a gas only one because it is simpler and less expensive. I don't have any numbers, but I think the cost of heating hot water six gallons at a time using propane is not very much money- like maybe less than 25 cents per day. If propane costs 25 cents, then electricity will cost at least twice as much, just like a home water heater. Propane water heaters are also quite reliable.

I let mine run all the time and I never hear it come on, so I don't understand the noise issue.

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Thanks Dan,

If I were you, I would go one step further and add an RV-500 tankless water heater. I had one in my '98 Monaco Dynasty motor home (one of the first ones produced) and later in my '06 19CCD Bambi. Both worked flawlessly and in the Bambi, my 2 X 30 lb. propane tanks lasted for over 3 months of summer camping with me taking loooong showers every day (that's why I had a tankless unit ).

Of course, the price is a little steep, but at least you are not wasting LP keeping your tank hot all day for just occasional use.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:55 PM   #22
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it has a thermostat, read up on them, and safe, installed many of them. some of u guys go overboard sometimes.
Love my hot rod. Been using same one 2 yrs now in my 86 Mine has a thermostat built into it. I can plug into the campground gfci plug right on pole if I want. Love it! Recommend it. Camping world is where I got both of mine. Oh have it in my classic Moho too!
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I don't have any numbers, but I think the cost of heating hot water six gallons at a time using propane is not very much money- like maybe less than 25 cents per day. If propane costs 25 cents, then electricity will cost at least twice as much, just like a home water heater. Dan
Yeah but the people that want electric water heaters only want to use as much free electricity that they can from the campground and not spend the $0.25 of their precious propane. Same holds true for heat strips on A/C's and using electric space heaters too. Propane furnaces work quite well but any chance they can to screw the campground out of some free electricity they will take it.
BTW I own a campground and see the results all the time, tripped and worn out breakers, melted receptacles from over using the system and of course huge electricity bills which does get passed on to the consumer.
They wouldn't dare think of using electricity for heat and hot water in their homes as they are footing the bill.
Rant over now.
Lew I am another one who listens carefully to your posts and heeds the warnings and have learned from the master.
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:59 PM   #24
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YOU CAN NOT GO 'OVERBOARD' WHEN SAFETY IN IN QUESTION!!!!!

Look, it's your money and your life........do as you see fit. My advise comes from a professional view of RV components and safety. I have spent over a thousand hours in training and certification to get a Master RV Technician rating. How many courses have you taken?

Yes, a lot of things will work, but for how long and at what ultimate price? There are currently only 6 devices that are RVIA certified for hot water production for use in an RV. Atwood and Suburban water heaters, Precision Temp and Girard tankless water heaters and all of the products from Aqua-Hot Heating Systems and Oasis Thermal Systems.

And by the way, exactly what are your qualifications for installing an unrated heating element into a production water heater ("installed many of them")? If you are doing this for others, I sure hope you carry a very large amount of professional liability insurance.

NOTICE ANYTHING MISSING????????????

And some folks have been asking me why I don't post as often as I used to. I think the answer is quite obvious!!!!!!!!!!!
What he said ! Safety first, dollars don't count when it's something that should be rated and certified ! I want to wake in the morning, not wake up to fire or just not wake up after succumbing to CO2.

Or if your going to join the Friends of Darwin (new meaning for FOD!) make sure your life insurance is paid up so the Family is taken care of.

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Old 04-27-2011, 11:29 PM   #25
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Huh? Did you step in some? Cause certainly your not suggesting that this type of modification that de-rates a unit that has been built and tested to an industry standard is appropriate, are you?

Let's review: industries that establish and operate to credible standards and operate in a transparent way are left alone by the government to regulate themselves. Those that don't invite BigBrother to join them as their "partner" and tell them how it should be done in order to protect the population at large. You're included even if you don't want to be.

Those that think they know more than the knowledgeable folks who worked in the committees that establish, maintain and update the industry standards are soon to be FOD! (reference newly established meaning for this TLA in prior post).

Perhaps you may have a TT for sale with a system component that you modified, de-rated, created an unsafe condition, and will sell to me without declaring what you have done. And perhaps my new purchase burns to the ground or causes MollyDog to take a dirt nap (She likes to sleep on the floor). I know that there is a Lawyer on this board that would love to pursue you and perhaps c*z*c*a would like to help me keep track of the money! No liability insurance? That's OK, any equity in your house?

Wise up Dude. This place is all about doing the right thing and doing things right!

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Love my hot rod. Been using same one 2 yrs now in my 86 Mine has a thermostat built into it. I can plug into the campground gfci plug right on pole if I want. Love it! Recommend it. Camping world is where I got both of mine. Oh have it in my classic Moho too!
i love mine too, been useing one for 20 years, saves on propane, campground power is included in campsite, use it. hot water heaters have a safety blowoff valve in case pressure ever get to high from over heating. i always replace that valve on a older water heater when i buy a older unit, that is a good thing to do on home water heaters if they are old ,can stick or leak. the temperature pressure relief valve is the only safe thing, if a fuse or breaker fail to work in a malfunction.

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My trailer came with some sort of add on electric water heater element by the PO. After dealing with it for a while I took it off and just run on propane. The add on over heated and seemed very poorly wired. We run the gas heater for about an hour in the morining and again in the evening and the water stays warm in between.
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[QUOTE=Bill M.;984993]My trailer came with some sort of add on electric water heater element by the PO. After dealing with it for a while I took it off and just run on propane. The add on over heated and seemed very poorly wired. We run the gas heater for about an hour in the morining and again in the evening and the water stays warm in between.[/Q

if installed correct, they are the same setup as a home water heater with ajustable thermostat, yours might have been set to high.
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