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Old 01-03-2008, 12:24 PM   #15
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How come my beer supply disappears from my Dometic fridge faster than it does for a similar period at home?

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Now that's funny.....
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Hi Lew,
Thanks for your interest. We have a 1993 Classic with the original Dometic Penguin HVAC unit. Seems that it has just about reached retirement. Do you recommend replacing with another Penguin or is there a better unit to replace with.

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Thanks for your interest. We have a 1993 Classic with the original Dometic Penguin HVAC unit. Seems that it has just about reached retirement. Do you recommend replacing with another Penguin or is there a better unit to replace with.

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Curt,

I see more Penguins than any other model used on the RVs I service, with RVP (Coleman) next and just a few Carriers. I personally like the Dometics, as they are more straightforward to work on (from my side of things) . Of course, your budget may dictate otherwise as I have sen some outrageous deals on the web. The 3 year warranty sure is nice!

AirConditioner,

You may have a blocked chimney tube, which would cause the situation that you describe. I would pull the fridge, remove the spiral baffle (it's hanging n the coat hangar-like wire found at the tup of the chimney tube) thoroughly brush out the chimney tube (be sure to either remove or cover your LP burner BEFORE you do this) and clean the spiral baffle. I would also shine a light down the chimney and do a visual inspection.

If this doesn't remedy the situation, let me know!

Pat,

AFAIK, the Amish and Mennonites that populate that part of Indiana don't know much about beer, but they sure do make nice RVs!! If I were you, I would keep closer tabs on the folks that you allow into your rig....ya just never know who's thirsty and who's not! Either that, or just start a beersign-up sheet and put it on the fridge door when camping.

I know several folks that have Norcold units that are having the exact same probem, so it seems pandemic to RV fridges in general.......especially when camping!!!!
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One thing I appreciate about Lewster - he always finds a way to communicate at his questioner's level. And you learn something.

But what the heck do you do with a list full of "x"s?

Dos?
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I have been trying.... can you ask for a source of manuals for the older units? I have a 62 gas only and would love to know what dometic intended me to do to keep it going. I know that with a gas only, there are no moving parts to break, but I would just like to have the manual on hand. You might also tell them that I am one satisfied customer and would not dream of replacing it with anything else. If you feel like it, you can add that they should bring back that wonderful shade of pink. Thank you, and have a great time.
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I have been trying.... can you ask for a source of manuals for the older units? I have a 62 gas only and would love to know what dometic intended me to do to keep it going. I know that with a gas only, there are no moving parts to break, but I would just like to have the manual on hand. You might also tell them that I am one satisfied customer and would not dream of replacing it with anything else. If you feel like it, you can add that they should bring back that wonderful shade of pink. Thank you, and have a great time.
62 O',

Get me the model and serial #'s. It will make the search much easier.....

Pat,

THANKS!

I thought that 'X's only came in dobles in the liquid state.....unless of course they come in 3's ....but we won't go there on this Forum!
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:29 PM   #21
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Lew,
No questions for Dometic, but thanks for the opportunity. So far, I'm really pleased with their products. My reefer in the 05 Bambi has been operating nearly non stop for 2 years with no problems. As I'm sure you're aware, this model has no temperature adjustment, and sometimes the ability to cool varies on hot summers days. I know you have installed several of the fan kits from Snyders, and was wondering if my reefer in the 05 Bambi would have to be slid out for the installation.

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lewster, can you tell me where to look. I made a half hearted attempt and did not find it. I will look in the daylight.
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lewster, can you tell me where to look. I made a half hearted attempt and did not find it. I will look in the daylight.
They are usually found on a label on the door post of the fridge interior, on a label at the back of the refer box, or sometimes, hidden on an inaccessible and not-readily-visible spot like an outer side wall or rear outside panel.

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Lew, this reminds me of when inland asked if they had any questions for Airstream before a trip there. You are handling it much better.
There is a question that I hope you have time to investigate. There was and still is a fire recall and I'm not sure if the Airstream communinity is fully aware of the significance.
There are 77 pages of stuff to sift through but here is page one from the moderator at RV.net that has done a great job:

Click here to go directly to Updates.
Update Number 1 Nov 23, 2006
Update Number 2 Dec 5, 2006
Update Number 3 Jan 10, 2007
Update Number 4 Jan 19, 2007 - Recall Instructions - click here: Dometic Recall You need your model and serial numbers.
Update Number 5 Feb 13, 2007 - Added links to new info on the NHTSA website including the info/form for claiming reimbursement for a failure. These are at the end of the post below where all the updates are posted.

Also, edited the below Recall to include the change made prior to the Dec 5 update showing the proposed remedy.

Below is information from the NHTSA website on a recall of certain Dometic refrigerators. This recall is in its very early stages, and there is no resolution in place as of Nov 1, 2006.

From the NHTSA website:

Dometic Recall NHTSA Campaign ID 06E076000

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
DOMETIC / NDR1062 9999
DOMETIC / RM2652 9999
DOMETIC / RM2662 9999
DOMETIC / RM2663 9999
DOMETIC / RM2852 9999
DOMETIC / RM2862 9999
DOMETIC / RM3662 9999
DOMETIC / RM3663 9999
DOMETIC / RM3862 9999
DOMETIC / RM3863 9999

Manufacturer : DOMETIC CORPORATION

NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 06E076000 Mfg's Report Date : AUG 28, 2006

Component: EQUIPMENT: RECREATIONAL VEHICLE

Potential Number Of Units Affected : 926877

Summary:
CERTAIN DOMETIC TWO-DOOR REFRIGERATORS MANUFACTURED BETWEEN APRIL 1997 AND MAY 2003: SERIAL NOS.
713XXXXX THROUGH 752XXXXX;
801XXXXX THROUGH 852XXXXX;
901XXXXX THROUGH 952XXXXX;
001XXXXX THROUGH 052XXXXX;
101XXXXX THROUGH 152XXXXX;
201XXXXX THROUGH 252XXXXX;
301XXXXX THROUGH 319XXXXX,
INSTALLED IN CERTAIN RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT AND SOLD AS AFTERMARKET EQUIPMENT. A FATIGUE CRACK MAY DEVELOP IN THE BOILER TUBE WHICH MAY RELEASE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF PRESSURIZED COOLANT SOLUTION INTO AN AREA WHERE AN IGNITION SOURCE (GAS FLAME) IS PRESENT.

Consequence:
THE RELEASE OF COOLANT UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS COULD IGNITE AND RESULT IN A FIRE.

Remedy:
THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS WILL NOTIFY OWNERS OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES THAT HAD THE REFRIGERATORS INSTALLED AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT AND DOMETIC WILL NOTIFY OWNERS OF THE AFTERMARKET REFRIGERATORS. DOMETIC WILL INSTALL A SECONDARY BURNER HOUSING FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN BETWEEN APRIL AND JUNE 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT DOMETIC AT 888-446-5157.

Notes:
CUSTOMERS MAY CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY: 1-800-424-9153); OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

The following is extracted from the notice provided by Dometic to the NHTSA dated 8/26/06:

The potential defect is associated with cooling unit at the back of the refrigeration cabinet.

A fractional percentage of the potentially affected refrigerators have experienced a fatigue crack that may develop in the boiler tube in the area of the weld between the boiler tube and the heater pocket. A fatigue crack may release a sufficient amount of pressurized coolant solution into an area where an ignition source (gas flame) is present. Dometic's investigation has shown that a simulated release of cooling solution (refrigerant) in the area of the boiler, under certain conditions, could be ignited by the presence of an open flame. A boiler fatigue crack with the loss of cooling solution without ignition would result in a non-operational refrigerator that is not a safety issue. Under certain conditions, the released coolant could ignite and result in a fire. In order to have a fire, at a minimum, all of the following conditions must exist:
  • 1. The refrigerator must be on and normally operating and gas burner must be lit;
    2. 'There must be an oversized heating element in the refrigerator;
    3. The boiler tube must develop a throughway fatigue crack of a
    specific size;
    4. There must be a release of the cooling solution at a rate which will
    allow the accumulation of the cooling solution at a concentration within its range of flammability; and
    5. There must be ignition source (gas flame) present.
If any of these conditions are not present, a release of the cooling solution will not result in a fire.

In April of 1997 Dometic modified the design of the affected refrigerators by increasing the wattage of the heating element from 325 watts to 354 watts. All production of the affected units from April 1997 through May of 2003 utilized the 354 watt heating element. In May of 2003, in order to improve the operating life of the refrigerators, Dometic returned to the use of the 325 watt heating element which it continues to use today. It is now believed that the use of the higher wattage heater contributed to abnormal fatigue in the boiler tube.

The products in question are all refrigerators used in the original manufacture of recreation vehicles or as replacement equipment for recreation vehicles. The total population of refrigerators potentially containing the defect is 926,877. Dometic estimates a potential maximum incident rate of 0.01% related to boiler fatigue cracks that leak and may result in a fire. There have been no incidents of injury or death related to the affected population of Dometic refrigerators.

Dometic became aware of the occurrence of fires which may have involved their products and retained an independent engineering testing laboratory to fully evaluate and investigate any potential defect in their refrigerators which might result in a fire. A number of returned units were analyzed and microscopic fatigue cracks which could release coolant into the area of the burner were identified in the boiler tube metal in the area of the weld between the heater pocket and boiler tube. Tests simulating the cracks were conducted the week of August 18, 2006 and confirmed a possible cause of fire in the refrigerators under certain conditions. These test results prompted the preparation of this notice.

Dometic continues to gather information on the potential defect and will forward additional relevant information as it becomes available.

Dometic has not yet identified a proposed remedy for the potential defect. Dometic will continue a testing program designed to identify and evaluate possible remedies. This evaluation will take place both in the United States and in Sweden. Once a remedy has been identified, Dometic will initiate or participate in a remedy campaign initiated by the original equipment manufacturers and aftermarket suppliers who have purchased, sold, and distributed these products. A list of original equipment manufacturers and aftermarket suppliers to whom Dometic has sold the potentially defective refrigerators is being prepared and will be provided to the NHTSA upon its
completion.

The following is extracted from the NHTSA response on 9/18/06:

Please provide the following additional information and be reminded of the following requirements:
  • Dometic must provide an estimated dealer notification date as well as an owner notification date including the day, month, and year. You are required to submit a draft owner notification letter to this office no less than five days prior to mailing it to the customers. Also, copies of all notices, bulletins, dealer notifications, and other communications that relate to this recall, including a copy of the final owner notification letter and any subsequent owner follow-up notification letter(s), are required to be submitted to this office no later than 5 days after they are originally sent (if they are sent to more than one manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or purchaser/owner).

    Dometic must file a sample of the envelope which you intend to use to mail the recall notice to owners. The words "SAFETY", "RECALL", "NOTICE" in any order must be printed on the envelope in larger font than the customers name and address.
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Old 01-04-2008, 06:59 AM   #25
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Thanks Randy!

I have been doing a lot of the recalls for Dometic. IMHO, it is really just a safety band-aid and does not address the actual problem which might be deeper in the actual design/manufacture of the cooling units in question.

Norcold had a similar problem several years ago, but their solution was to actually replace the cooling units on a LOT or refers. That cost them LARGE, as it usually involved 3 hours labor to replace the cooling units on each affected refer, plus the cost of the new cooling unit!!!!!

The Dometic Recall kit contains a few pieces of extra sheet metal, a thermostat which acts as an ECO (energy cut-off device) and wiring. It's function is to detect the presence of an overheat situation (potential fire) and cut the power to the PC board, thus shutting down the unit and avoiding a potential catastrophy. This is similar to the ECOs found in RV furnaces and functions in the same way.
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Lewster, I apreciate you looking into a manual. I contacted dometic and they sent me to someone who sent me to someone that did not want to be bothered. Finding the units info was hard... the tag was hanging front and center when I opener the grill. It says N50 B3 above the temp. dial. On the tag it says: unit type 75A... input rating 2000 BTU/ HOUR.... and in a box below that it says N 50.
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Lewster, I apreciate you looking into a manual. I contacted dometic and they sent me to someone who sent me to someone that did not want to be bothered. Finding the units info was hard... the tag was hanging front and center when I opener the grill. It says N50 B3 above the temp. dial. On the tag it says: unit type 75A... input rating 2000 BTU/ HOUR.... and in a box below that it says N 50.
62'O,

That helps a lot.......I'll see what I can do in the frigid conditions of Indiana in January (What am I thinking????? )

Ranger,

If your 19' is like mine, you have 2 access doors to the rear of the fridge. It is very simple to add a Snyder's kit in this configuration without removing the fridge. I did mine this way.....took maybe 20 minutes!
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Thanks, Lewster! My access doors appear to be exactly the same as yours, and that was the answer I was hoping for. Let's see... 20 minutes to be installed by a skilled professional means it should only take me about 2 hours.
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