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Old 06-29-2013, 04:55 PM   #15
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But with generator - I would need to be running the generator to power the laptop for example? With inserted I can charge batteries with genie or solar and if cool at night can use battery power to tinker on computer and watch tv....

I guess I can see that as a nice mod to have...

Otherwise if off shore power I would need to have generator running to power the tv correct?
We have solar, an inverter and we also have generators a our disposal. Having the inverter gives you more options as to how you manage your power usage. If we are dry camping, for instance, we run the laptop on it's own battery as necessary, then when it needs a charge, we turn on the inverter to charge the laptop, and take the opportunity to plug the phones in to charge. And we may also use the TV to catch the news, etc. With the solar, we may not need to run the generator for 2 or 3 days or longer (depending on what we run), so by using the inverter we can often avoid using the generator as much. It all really depends heavily on a number of variables and your personal power usage ... how good your batteries are ... how sunny it is if you have solar ... whether you are parked in the shade with solar ... whether you need to run the furnace at night, etc etc. The inverter just adds one more dimension of power supply option.
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Old 06-29-2013, 05:14 PM   #16
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2014 with inverter, awnings, golden ultraleather, and 2 ac's...settled on price - finalize paperwork monday...order for october/november

I started having second thoughts about these options and I want what I want so there

Got the hitch thrown in for no cost too
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Congratulations on your pending 2014 .
Which brand hitch ? There is always a cost associated ( hidden in some cases) with Hensley or ProPride so check with your dealer.
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Old 06-29-2013, 06:18 PM   #18
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I have inverters but usually wire in a couple of cigarette lighter type plugs. All of my electronic devices can charge directly off of a 12 volt battery supply. I also have an LCD TV that can use 12 volt. To me it is crazy to convert 12 volt to 110 volt to charge a ~5 volt cellphone, ditto laptops and tablets.

If I am plugged in to shore power or running a generator, that is a different scenario.

Yes an inverter is a good thing to have.

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Old 06-29-2013, 06:21 PM   #19
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The new 2014 models will support a 1,000 watt inverter, which is preferrable to the 600 watt inverter that is no longer offered. I have been told the Airstream inverter can not be retrofitted in the field. Thus it must be specified at build time. It is a $725 option in the Classic models.
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Do you plan to boondock or dry camp? All of my camping has been in campgrounds/parks with electricity.
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We are considering a 2,000 watt inverter (requires four batteries versus the standard two for a 1,000 watt inverter) when we do the 300 or 400 watt solar system. This will definetely be a non-dealer installed option.

You will need to get a device called kill-a-watt (most hardware stores carry a version of this) to determine your power use by each appliance. There is no free lunch. You can uase only so many watt hours of power before recharging the trailer batteries.

The Honda generators generate sine wave power. Some of the less expensive brands to not generate sine wave power.
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I look forward to hearing the date of your build slot. Unless the dealer swaps your unit into an existing order slot, the unit might be scheduled later this year or the first of next year.

When you special order a trailer, you are allowed to photo the build process in person at Jackson Center. It appears they have reduced the build time to five work days from seven work days in June of 2012.
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The new 2014 models will support a 1,000 watt inverter, which is preferrable to the 600 watt inverter that is no longer offered. I have been told the Airstream inverter can not be retrofitted in the field. Thus it must be specified at build time. It is a $725 option in the Classic models.
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You have been mis-informed! It CAN be done and IS done EVERY DAY! I have retro-fitted 8 inverters into Airstreams alone (many more into SOBs) when adding a large, comprehensive solar battery charging system. The smallest was a 1000 watt pure sine wave model and the largest a 2800 watt sine wave model. An inverter can be installed into ANY RV at ANY TIME.

The best part of these inverter installations (Magnum Energy products) is that you get a superior charging section for your batteries (generally upgraded to Lifeline AGMs on these installations) that is fully adjustable for type of battery, size of battery bank and most important, full temperature compensation for proper charging in all conditions. AND...........all Magnum products are fully field serviceable if anything happens to fail.
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What some people do not realize is the potential large drain on the batteries with an inverter. In round numbers, take the AC amps of the load and multiply by 10 to get the DC amps, then multiply by the hours of use to figure the drain on your batteries. In short, you are not going to power a toaster. An LCD TV is fine as are the electronics people are mentioning. You only have about 100 amp-hours to 50% before you must recharge the batteries. So inverters can be handy,, but you need to watch your batteries.
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Inverters can be really useful, especially if you've got a serious bank of solar panels on the roof.

I know people who fulltime and power their iMacs (these guys are programmers/web designers) almost entirely with their 600W solar array.
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Of course you can run a toaster.....you can run an electric coffee pot and a microwave too! Yes, you have to watch your battery condition and depth of discharge, but it's done every day....... even with a 200 amp/hour battery bank.

EXAMPLE..............

You toaster draws about 800 watts (mine does). At 120VDC, this gives you a 7 amp draw (actually 6.6, but we'll use round numbers). A 7 amp AC draw is equivalent to a 70 amp DC draw. Add 15% for inverter inefficiencies (10 amps DC) and you have an 80 amp draw from your batteries.

This seems like a huge amount......BUT REMEMBER......... it only takes a couple of minutes to toast a piece of bread. A generous estimate is 1/20 of an hour....or 2.5 minutes. You divide 80 divided by 20 which is a real battery drain of 4 amp hours.

A 200 amp/hour battery bank has 50 % useable amperage, or 100 amp/hours. The toaster's draw is 4% of your useable battery capacity........easily replenished with a quality solar charging system in short order or left alone for a short generator run at sometime later in the day.

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Old 06-29-2013, 09:37 PM   #28
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Not sure it will help - I also have a blue top optima I use in my boat - not sure that will extend things...that battery runs my trolling motor quite a while.

Yes we wi plan to boondock - not tons early but we will - we know some places and folks with land up in north east Alabama. Also weekend trips off the grid with my brothers will occur - etc.

It will not be a staple - but it will happen.

Can a charge on the batteries keep the trailer warm overnight in say the 30's and 40's overnight?

We plan on getting a generator(s) - have been dying for one to run the freezer and fridge at home in the case of power outages - to use to run the AC - charge batteries - etc when off shore power but will forgo this till next year (and hope we do not get a bad power outage this year).

The main thing I would want to run on batteries for a bit is tv, charge phones, computer.

It's all on order as such - im sure the 1000w inverter will be handy.

I do understand would need genie for air conditioner to run (that will be a whole different subject to consider next year).

Hmm I wonder if my truck can charge the batteries....my truck will arrive in a week.

Thanks for all the advice folks - im sure I learn a lot by experience - I'm not worried
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