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Old 07-10-2014, 09:05 PM   #15
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I am not sure of what the TPMS repeater and Voyager camera are, so can't guess as to their current draw. If you could measure their amp draw, and multiply by 24 hours, you will get their amp hour use per day. If you have the original type 24 batteries you have about 150 to 160 amp hour of total capacity assuming they are not down in capacity vs. new ones. And in general, you really don't want to draw them down to much less than 40% (90 to 95 amp hours draw down) so as not to shorten their life.

About the only way to test capacity is to do something like put a known load on them (lets say 5 to 10 amp) and see how many hours it takes to run them down. 5 amps for 20 hours is 100 amp hours for example.

I don't know the size of Lifeline batteries, but if they are group #24, they would be the same size as your existing batteries in all dimensions. I also don't know the Amp Hour rating of the lifelines in the group #24 size, assuming they come in that size. I do know they are a lot more expensive than a set of golf cart ones would be. The golf cart ones are the same length and width as the #24, but about an inch + higher, which makes the raising of the battery box top necessary due to issues involving shorts.

Making the top of my battery box a bit higher was not a hard project at all, took a couple of hours, but you may not be the handyman type... you did the PD converter/charger though.
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:15 PM   #16
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Thanks for the tip on the draws. Yeah, I don't know what the TPMS repeater and Voyager draw either, though I can probably look it up.

The golf cart batteries sure do sound less expensive and maybe since they are bigger they hold more capacity too.

Regarding the battery box handiwork, I can certainly string wires back onto a board for the PD converter, but I'm not much for cutting metal, welding, and all that sort of stuff. I'll have to look it over before I consider whether to take that one on. I know our dealer has done that exact work for other AS owners, so worst case I could have them do the box work and then go to Costco for the batteries.
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:40 AM   #17
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I just finished my upgrade. Everything went well and was pretty easy except for the 4 screws holding the converter box in. What a PITA!

In order to get some slack on the big heavy battery wires, remove the 4 screws holding the entire unit to the bench and slide it out a bit. On the back where the battery wires exit the unit is a strain relief. Loosen the 2 screws and pull what slack you need to get everything run correctly. Once you have the new board in place you can then push whatever extra wire you have back through the strain relief and tighten the screws back down again.
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:04 PM   #18
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I just ordered a new 2015 bunkhouse 30' FC, and asked the dealer to upgrade the inverter system to one that is high quaility/output and to upgrade the batteries to deep-cycle gel or AGM. I would love to gather insight from this group in trying to understand what provider will work best for me... What inverter system? What batteries?

I will not have solar on this unit, but I do carry two honda 2000 generators.

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Old 09-18-2014, 10:59 PM   #19
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As a follow-up note, I recently persuaded my dealer to replace my existing flooded group 24 batteries with a new pair of the same batteries. I ran several tests, checked specific gravities, etc. and concluded that their capacity had been impaired by having been stored on the lot for a few months at 1/2 charge or less.

So with those new batteries in place, I'll probably stay with them until I lose patience with the fact that group 24 batteries just don't have enough capacity for serious boondocking in the deep shady woods (e.g. little or no solar power). At that point, I'll probably move to a pair of 6V AGM golf cart batteries at 220AH, mount them under the foot of the bed in our 27FB to save a bit on tongue weight, and add a Trimetric monitor so I can see what's really going on.

In any case, I'm tremendously happy with the new PD4655 converter. It's a huge success, and I'm glad I did the upgrade.
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:17 PM   #20
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The factory Lifeline AGM batts seem to be relatively problem free with an excellent warranty. I intend to upgrade to the PD4655 or Possibly Magnum 3 or 4 rate converter this winter during our off season.(as suggested to me by Lewster on this forum) When our project funds regenerate, their will be two more AGM batts under the bed, too.
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Old 09-19-2014, 12:30 AM   #21
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I just ordered a new 2015 bunkhouse 30' FC, and asked the dealer to upgrade the inverter system to one that is high quaility/output and to upgrade the batteries to deep-cycle gel or AGM. I would love to gather insight from this group in trying to understand what provider will work best for me... What inverter system? What batteries?

I will not have solar on this unit, but I do carry two honda 2000 generators.

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Hibby, that depends..........on how long you want your batteries to last and how much energy you intend to draw from them. New Airstreams have all LED lighting....a PLUS! If you use an inverter, how much microwave use, hairdryer use and TV watching do you intend to do off-grid. I say off-grid meaning without generator use also.

Where do you intend to place the new batteries? The existing battery tongue mounted battery box will hole a pair of LIfeline GPL-27T AGM batteries at 100 amp/hours each for a 200 amp/hour battery bank. Extend the top about an inch and a half and you can fit a pair of Lifeline GPL-4CT 6VDC golf cart batteries at 220 amp/hours total. Place a pair of GPL-6CT 6VDC golf cart batteries under the front couch or bed and you have 300 amp/hours total.

Quality inverters like Magnums come in lots of sizes, and most are inverter/chargers with Magnum's fine 4 stage charging sections and full temperature compensation for the charging voltage. 1000, 2000 and 2800 watt sine wave models with 50 amp, 100 amp and 25 amp charging sections respectively.

The new magnum MSH-3012M is a hybrid inverter/charger that can supplement the power from a smaller grid source like a single 2000 watt generator or 20 amp service line to run larger trailer loads. We have several clients that are using the MSH-3012M with a single Honda or Yamaha 2000 and easily start and run their roof A/C unit. They also have solar to replenish their batteries, but your generator can also do this when it is not running large loads.

Lots of choices. Just be sure that you are working with someone who really knows and understands the interactions of all of the upgraded components that you are interested in and will provide you with the best systems for your needs and budget.....not just what they want to sell you or what is easier to install.
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Old 09-19-2014, 08:32 AM   #22
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PD 4655 Update for my 23'

[QUOTE=Silvery Moon;1478980]I'm pleased to report that today I successfully completed the upgrade from PLax 7355 to PD 4655. The wiring is pretty straightforward, just follow the directions closely and read through all the tips here on the forums.



Stuff of note, in no particular order:
  • The PLax in my 2014 AS had a very odd and per my electrical guy at the hardware store, not-up-to-code, pigtail for the black wire on the AC side of the circuit. They wire-nutted an incoming 20 Amp wire to a pigtail wire, crimped the other end of that pigtail wire together with the controller wire, ending in a post, which they then shoved into the 20 Amp breaker. My electrical guy said that was a huge no-no and would not sell me such a crimp/post combo. He had me buy a foot of black 12 gauge wire and a properly sized wire nut that would handle three 12 gauge wires. Per his instructions, I then wire-nutted the incoming black 20 amp wire, the controller black wire and the new section of wire (yes, 3 wires into one wire nut). Next I put the single new pigtail wire into the 20 Amp breaker. This, I'm told, is what code requires. Perhaps electrical code is different in OH or for TT vs. houses. Who knows. Otherwise, AS has some 'splainin to do. Per the PD instructions, do NOT attempt to stick two wires into that 20 Amp breaker. That is *very* no-no, do *not* attempt.
Fedex delivered my PD 4655 yesterday and I'm going to install it today. I checked how the wire mentioned above is hooked up to the breaker and found the same setup on the 120 volt breaker that feeds the converter. Apparently it's not so "odd" but a widespread practice in our trailers. Do the resident electrical gurus have any guidance/comments/cautions on hooking it back up the way it came from the factory? Not to imply there's not better ways to do things but the solid post going into the breaker seems no different than the solid hot wire from the romex going into the others. But..... I'm no electrical engineer and don't know all the code for RVs.
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Old 09-19-2014, 12:14 PM   #23
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Upgrading the converter and inverter in my 2014 27FB

I hope to replace this stock converter as mentioned above within the next 6-8 months - nearly dried up my batteries - still not clear if it damaged them but so far it appears not - need more testing

How much for such an upgrade (just the inverter/converter? To power the stock wet cells for now but that would allow upgraded batteries later




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Old 09-19-2014, 12:37 PM   #24
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Here's the item on Amazon Prime:
Amazon.com: Progressive Dynamics (PD4655V) 55 Amp Converter/Charger with Built-In Charge Wizard: Automotive

Here it is on Best Converters:
PD4655 55 Amp Converter Upgrade Section
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Old 09-19-2014, 12:38 PM   #25
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I think the PD4655 is about $220 or so. I sold my original on eBay for $199 shipped. Netted about $160 or so.
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Old 09-19-2014, 12:51 PM   #26
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I re read the thread and foggy on the difference of magnum vs this PD model

Easier less costly install it seems?

I will have only a generator probably for a while at this point (pick it up tomorrow yay) as it relates

I have stock 1000w inverter and would not require it much at all for the next few years I suspect but a bit later more so


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Old 09-19-2014, 01:18 PM   #27
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Install is finished. Fortunately I had a good amount of slack on the battery wires so I loosened the strain relief and that made it easier. Was able to run both of them over the top of the board. There was an extra knock out tab in the box so moved them from the bottom. After reading about it being hard to get the 12 volt board screwed back on, I waited till it was on before I hooked the battery wires into the terminals. Not too bad job at all, would rate it on the easier side of DIY. Took my time and carefully read the instructions.

Also, with the converter pulled out made for a good time to get a good look around and get the vacuum in there. I had the batteries replaced recently, under warranty, so hopefully things will be better in that department.
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Old 09-19-2014, 01:25 PM   #28
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Got tired of ruining my batteries and called Randy at Best Converters.Installed the Ultra III unit in approx 20mins ($220) threw Parallex in dumpster and installed new Lifeline group 27's($500).Replaced every light in my trailer with LED's fromled4rv.com($600).
Just returned from a 45 day 8,000 mile adventure and could not be happier.Huge difference in charging quality, performance power usage.One of the best upgrades I have done.
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