Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-15-2018, 05:17 AM   #1
3 Rivet Member
 
Dickandvicki's Avatar
 
1991 29' Excella
Tulsa , Oklahoma
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 146
Images: 1
Blog Entries: 1
No Electricity

We are camping in Santa Fe and the electricity went off in the middle of the night. There is power at the post, but it’s not on in the trailer. We checked our breakers and they seem to be fine.

Does anyone have an idea what could be causing this power?
__________________

Dickandvicki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 06:49 AM   #2
Overland Adventurer
 
AtomicNo13's Avatar
 
1991 34' Excella
2009 34' Panamerica
Telluride , Colorado
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,175
Bad transfer switch? Plug into the front generator inlet and see if it works from there.

Known and common failure point.
__________________

AtomicNo13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 10:07 AM   #3
3 Rivet Member
 
Dickandvicki's Avatar
 
1991 29' Excella
Tulsa , Oklahoma
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 146
Images: 1
Blog Entries: 1
What would cause this?

After the sun came up. This is what we found.

I just talked to a worker at the campground. He said that everyone with “theses boxes” the surge protector had problems. That this campground doesn’t need them :/

Do you think my whole electrical system is damaged?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	5540B749-72CC-4861-947A-EF641853831A.jpg
Views:	45
Size:	333.4 KB
ID:	325240   Click image for larger version

Name:	B58DEB8B-3B23-4CE3-AA47-8DE09C0E7410.jpg
Views:	52
Size:	401.4 KB
ID:	325241  

Click image for larger version

Name:	22AEDC8D-42C6-470A-BD73-97492E8AADEF.jpg
Views:	47
Size:	284.8 KB
ID:	325242  
Dickandvicki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 10:59 AM   #4
Rivet Master
 
Lumatic's Avatar

 
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Estancia , New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,085
Images: 16
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dickandvicki View Post
I just talked to a worker at the campground. He said that everyone with “theses boxes” the surge protector had problems. That this campground doesn’t need them :/
That makes me suspicious of a problem with the campground wiring. Have you tried talking to Progressive Dynamics?

Can you post the name of the campground?
__________________
Sail on silver girl. Sail on by. Your time has come to shine.
Lumatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 11:04 AM   #5
Rivet Master
 
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Long Island , New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,860
^^^^^ x2

If all the surge protectors are causing problems, it is likely a problem with the CG system. Does your PD unit show any error codes? You may have avoided a major problem IMO.

Which CG please. . . Los Suenos perhaps? Saw a review on Yelp mentioning an electrical problem I think.



Peter
OTRA15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 11:09 AM   #6
Slide Out Society #001
 
GCinSC2's Avatar
 
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere , South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,596
What is the condition of the plug from your PD to the pedestal receptacle?
__________________
S/OS #001
2005 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9L 6 Speed
16" Michelins, Hi Spec Wheels, Max Brake, Carslile Actuator, Equal-i-zer, Dill TPMS. Campfire cook.
GCinSC2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 11:39 AM   #7
Rivet Master
 
jdalrymple's Avatar
 
2009 27' FB Flying Cloud
1991 35' Airstream 350
Jay , Oklahoma
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,664
My first guess would be a corroded or loose connection inside the male plug on the trailer cord.

Looks like two connectors were overheated...the round one is ground, so my money is the other is neutral.



Regards,

JD
__________________
Jeff & Cindy
'09 27FB Flying Cloud
'91 350 LE MH
jdalrymple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 11:53 AM   #8
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawus"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , Milky Way
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,335
Images: 1
That's just the CG's way of saying... "it's not our fault, it's yours" 😡
Call PD, send pic's if needed.

Do you have battery power?....a generator?
As noted ck the transfer switch...which outlet was used to plug into?


Bob
🇺🇸
__________________
"We are all here on earth to help others; what on earth the others are here for I don't know."
W. H. Auden

“We were young and knew nothing...now we are old and everyone else knows everything.”
RLC




"Tahawus"
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 11:59 AM   #9
Rivet Master
 
Al and Missy's Avatar

 
2002 30' Classic S/O
Melbourne Beach , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,983
There is no way the ground pin should have current on it. I'm betting the site has a ground-neutral reversal problem. If not the site, then either the trailer or the surge protector does.


Go to a big box building supply store and buy an outlet tester. They are only a few $. If you don't have one, get a 30A male to 15A female adapter and a 50A male to 30A female adapter. Then plug the stack together to test the campground power before plugging in.



Al
__________________

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they have not been reasoned into"

Al, K5TAN and Missy, N4RGO
2002 Classic 30 Slideout
S/OS #004
2013 Dodge 2500 Laramie 4x4 Megacab Cummins
2001 Safari 25 RB Twin (Gone, but not forgotten)
WBCCI 1322, TAC FL-39, AIR 82265

Al and Missy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 12:13 PM   #10
Fuil-Timers
 
DreamStreamr's Avatar
 
2005 25' International CCD
Everywhere , North America
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 671
Images: 38
Send a message via Skype™ to DreamStreamr
Using the Progressive Dynamics ems, wouldn’t any polarity errors have been disclosed and prevented closing the ems’s contactor? I think Jeff’s suggestion seems likelier, if my guess is right about the ems. But yeah, the cg’s answer is unhelpful at best, and seems likely to be misdirection.
__________________
Chasing 75 Degrees,

Jim N5RTG
dreamstreamr.com
dreamstreamr.wordpress.com
DreamStreamr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 01:31 PM   #11
Rivet Master
 
Al and Missy's Avatar

 
2002 30' Classic S/O
Melbourne Beach , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,983
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamStreamr View Post
Using the Progressive Dynamics ems, wouldn’t any polarity errors have been disclosed and prevented closing the ems’s contactor? I think Jeff’s suggestion seems likelier, if my guess is right about the ems. But yeah, the cg’s answer is unhelpful at best, and seems likely to be misdirection.

Good point, Jim. However, under no circumstances should the ground pin be carrying current. After some research into pin configurations, the two pins that are melted are the ground and the neutral. In my opinion there must be a wiring error (or equipment failure) that has current flowing on the ground and neutral wires and not the hot wire. I just can't figure out what it is.....

But I'm tempted to think the fault actually is in the PD EMS.

Al
__________________

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they have not been reasoned into"

Al, K5TAN and Missy, N4RGO
2002 Classic 30 Slideout
S/OS #004
2013 Dodge 2500 Laramie 4x4 Megacab Cummins
2001 Safari 25 RB Twin (Gone, but not forgotten)
WBCCI 1322, TAC FL-39, AIR 82265

Al and Missy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 01:44 PM   #12
Rivet Master
 
AYRSTRM2's Avatar
 
1966 22' Safari
1979 30' Argosy
Armada , Michigan
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 947
Images: 4
I have seen this kind of damage, but don't have any EMS or other fancy protection systems. When I have seen this kind of damage, it is when water has gotten in between the plug and outlet or other plug end on an extension cord, causing shorts across those pins, and they heat up. Was the electrical cord leading to the plug hot or melted?
AYRSTRM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 02:33 PM   #13
Rivet Master
 
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Long Island , New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,860
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dickandvicki View Post
After the sun came up. This is what we found.
. . .
In addition to the many good questions and suggestions already, have you used this PD unit before with no previous problems?

Thanks,

Peter
OTRA15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2018, 05:53 PM   #14
Rivet Master
 
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Long Island , New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,860
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dickandvicki View Post
After the sun came up.
. . .
Do you realize that your replies are being posted in your blog?

http://www.airforums.com/forums/blog...kandvicki.html
__________________

OTRA15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I always camp where I have electricity happier General Appliance Topics 13 07-27-2007 03:09 PM
Electricity in 1959 Traveler? and awnings? r&kweber 1959 Traveler 8 08-03-2006 11:08 PM
No electricity to the furnace, 69 Sovereign bilby05 Furnaces, Heaters, Fireplaces & Air Conditioning 10 10-29-2005 07:20 PM
The mysterious world of electricity, or...... krowsea Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 25 09-03-2004 04:23 PM
Connecting to Electricity ssolid Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 22 02-12-2004 09:09 AM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.